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Old November 15th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #5201
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I think in the end the actual result will be a lot better than the naysayers whine about. Is it my choice? No.. but it will be what will be built and it's not going to turn out an abysmal debacle. I won't write anymore in this thread until there is some kind of news about a firm construction date, of course depending on if Fox and Silverstein can come to an agreement and it actually gets a lease.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 02:47 AM   #5202
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Most productive post I've seen in a while. Thank you. It's not a heaven-sent design by any means, but it's an adequate contemporary replacement.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 03:48 AM   #5203
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It's outstanding, and the massing and cantilevers of this building make it outstanding visually.
Cantilevers never do anything good for anything. It's a bad trend in skyscraper architecture right now, and will hopefully die soon. Once it does, everybody will regret having built buildings like that.

Say what you will now, in ten years from now, remember what I told you here.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 03:53 AM   #5204
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This tower really is shit, but I have finally accepted it and I don't hate it as much as I originally did. I remember back in August when the design was released and we all wanted it gone but I really do see a big change in attitude towards the project. More optimism than pessimism than in August. I remember that 20 pages of thread were created on this project in just a few days. It must have been the fastest growing thread in SSC history.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 09:06 PM   #5205
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I like how this thread dies down for a couple months then everyone comes back to complain again. Haha. I'm just accepting the fact this Foster's design is no more. At least the WTC will finally be completed after all these years.
You got that one right...
I, for instance, could not care less anymore. The design is still shitty and I can't get over the Foster's design, but this one will get built and there's nothing we can do about it. We can only be happy that the WTC site will finally be rebuilt and that Lower Manhattan will get a denser skyline. Also, there are many other interesting projects in NYC for us to observe and admire.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 09:49 PM   #5206
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It's the type of design that (if built) will be personified over time as having 'character'.

It's provocative enough that people feel compelled to comment on it; they'll hate or they'll love it and probably not feel too much in between.

To me it's the architectural equivalent of a Tabloid. While other supertalls being built in New York might be more akin to Wired or The Economist, this design of WTC 2 is the Kardashian-esque magazine you are forced to look at while waiting in line to buy groceries - it's happening whether we like it or not because somebody's buyin' it.

I personally think it's remarkably fugly...but that doesn't mean I hate it, at least not yet.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #5207
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It's the type of design that (if built) will be personified over time as having 'character'.

It's provocative enough that people feel compelled to comment on it; they'll hate or they'll love it and probably not feel too much in between.

To me it's the architectural equivalent of a Tabloid. While other supertalls being built in New York might be more akin to Wired or The Economist, this design of WTC 2 is the Kardashian-esque magazine you are forced to look at while waiting in line to buy groceries - it's happening whether we like it or not because somebody's buyin' it.

I personally think it's remarkably fugly...but that doesn't mean I hate it, at least not yet.
then it fits fox like a god damned glove.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #5208
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Bitter leftists.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 12:05 AM   #5209
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The massive redevelopment of the World Trade Center site in New York City is one of the most exciting projects under construction in the United States. The new complex is bringing six skyscrapers to the Lower Manhattan location, a venture made possible by a multitude of developers, engineers, builders and architects. On a recent trip to New York, SkyriseCities navigated the area and witnessed firsthand how the development is reshaping the neighbourhood.


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Old November 18th, 2015, 12:51 AM   #5210
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I don't give a **** if these end up being the offices of Satan himself, the previous design was superior.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 04:38 PM   #5211
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No, No, No. Sorry but this does not fit the New York skyline at al. The twin towers were monolithic structures and defined lower Manhattan. The hole that their destruction left can't be filled with something that looks like a shopping spree. This design does not convey awe or strength. It is not iconic. And lets face it, this building needs to be - even I can see that and I'm not even American.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #5212
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They should have considered something like this http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=774022
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Old November 18th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #5213
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The more I look at this design, the more it just looks like a massive 80's post-modernist structure with a modern facade. The simple, repetitive cube stacking looks like something straight out of 1987. Its really quite a reactionary design. The cantilever is not progressive. Its just a gimmick.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #5214
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You're dramatically over-simplifying the design here. I don't what this adversity is toward the cantilevers either. I think we're being reactionary in decrying it so belligerently. This is a building for a media conglomerate, this building integrates elements of the 60s more than the 80s, in the sense that the blocks are meant to segment the building into functionary divisions. Essentially projecting the internal operations to the outside. Very 60s mentality. That being said, I think it succeeds in being both functional, and interesting. Is it beautiful? Not so much. But it's interesting, and I think more than the past design, this building is impressive, as it gives us better appreciation for massing and the engineering behind the building. Also, the way the building sort of communicates with the outside world by having projects on the underside, to me, is refreshing, and a welcome addition to Lower Manhattan, and making downtown have more of a dialogue with passersby like other neighborhoods. Because, let's face it, the old design was sterile from street level, this one isn't.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 06:29 AM   #5215
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I actually brought up this mini debate in my architecture studio class and everyone seemed to prefer BIG's design over Fosters. They said Foster's was kinda boring and predictable. This is actually funny cause our class hates cubic buildings but actually really liked the way BIG did his.
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I actually brought up this mini debate in my architecture studio class and everyone seemed to prefer BIG's design over Fosters. They said Foster's was kinda boring and predictable. This is actually funny cause our class hates cubic buildings but actually really liked the way BIG did his.
BIG's design was praised by all the others architects involved with the WTC (David Childs in particular), prominent architectural critics and even the LMDC planning board so Ingels must be doing something right. Either that or people are just afraid to criticize his work given his well-regarded status in the architectural community.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 10:39 AM   #5217
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it's beyond horrendous...
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Old November 19th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #5218
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I look at this tower and I want to throw up . No style, no cohesiveness, it's not streamlined, it's blocky like some 90s-style Texas tower.
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You're dramatically over-simplifying the design here. I don't what this adversity is toward the cantilevers either. I think we're being reactionary in decrying it so belligerently. This is a building for a media conglomerate, this building integrates elements of the 60s more than the 80s, in the sense that the blocks are meant to segment the building into functionary divisions. Essentially projecting the internal operations to the outside. Very 60s mentality. That being said, I think it succeeds in being both functional, and interesting. Is it beautiful? Not so much. But it's interesting, and I think more than the past design, this building is impressive, as it gives us better appreciation for massing and the engineering behind the building. Also, the way the building sort of communicates with the outside world by having projects on the underside, to me, is refreshing, and a welcome addition to Lower Manhattan, and making downtown have more of a dialogue with passersby like other neighborhoods. Because, let's face it, the old design was sterile from street level, this one isn't.
Anyway, this more or less sums up my opinion at this point. It does bother me though, the scrapping of Foster's design.
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Old November 20th, 2015, 05:55 PM   #5220
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If BIG made this design for another tower (e.g. in Hudson Yards), I may have liked it somewhat better. But for me it's just the 'collaboration' Fosters design had with 1WTC and 3WTC, and this one doesn't.
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