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Old December 3rd, 2015, 01:46 AM   #5241
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If BIG made this design for another tower (e.g. in Hudson Yards), I may have liked it somewhat better. But for me it's just the 'collaboration' Fosters design had with 1WTC and 3WTC, and this one doesn't.
Agreed, there was a sense of cohesion about the three buildings, even though they were stylistically different.

The new design is interesting from an architectural standpoint but certainly not what I would call "attractive" (it recalls for me a slug coming out from the soil). The old design was both interesting and attractive. NY is making a habit of rejecting some great Foster proposals.
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 09:22 PM   #5242
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The crazy mess of a building is obviously not going to be a future classic or bring about more like it, but an experimentation in innovation and progressiveness is due for NYC!. The problem is the building's ass. Yes, that's right, it's rear end. That hopelessly dull flat backside of the tower. The suit and tie backside and the hip futuristic front side, are incompatible as a whole and the whole thing begins to look like a pastiche that is designed to offend fewer people. If you're going to do a building, do it right. No two-faced cowardly buildings please, they always end up being mistakes. This is why the Foster design would have been the right choice here at this site. It was a more balanced honest tower that showed it's most interesting side to the WTC site, where most people will be looking at it from. It was not trying to be gimmicky on one side and sober and sombre on the other, which this tower obviously is doing. A compromise that may well land this tower in the folly category/ missed opportunity for decades to come. Let's hope that the ever so open minded NY'er learns to love Bjork's whimsical creation just as they learnt to love the domineering and post-apocalyptic TWINS!
Did I mention that I love armchair architecture critics? Love 'em!
I also thinking about taking cooking lessons (in French cuisine) by people who only ever made ramen and microwave popcorn. It just makes sense to hear what they have to say about it...
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 09:47 PM   #5243
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Considering tens of millions probably have to look at this building on a regular basis, and maybe 0.1% of those (at most) studied architecture, I think the opinion of the 99.9% does matter.

Do you think I ask someone who studied medicine whether I should vomit when I have gastroenteritis?
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 11:47 PM   #5244
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Fosters design is for a bank/financial institution. No bank/financial entity wants to be in the WTC complex. The media clients are different and will force their will on what will be built.
If Fosters design was that great why is it the last to be (not) built? You don't have to think too hard to realize nobody wanted it. Personally the Fosters building is Meh.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 02:06 AM   #5245
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If Fosters design was that great why is it the last to be (not) built?
You just answered your own question in the previous sentences. It was designed for banks and they couldn't find any banking tenants.
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Old December 4th, 2015, 07:16 AM   #5246
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Yellow Hammerhead Crane coming down Monday December 7th
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Old December 4th, 2015, 11:07 PM   #5247
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Yellow Hammerhead Crane coming down Monday December 7th
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Old December 5th, 2015, 12:14 AM   #5248
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Probably meant to post it in the Trans-Hub forum.
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Well, it is served for the Transportation Hub, but it's on 2 World Trade Center's site, so I thought I'd just share it!
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Old December 5th, 2015, 07:44 AM   #5250
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I like 2 WTC...I just wish that they can build it a notch taller so it can match 1 WTC's height
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Old December 5th, 2015, 07:21 PM   #5251
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Fosters design is for a bank/financial institution. No bank/financial entity wants to be in the WTC complex. The media clients are different and will force their will on what will be built.
If Fosters design was that great why is it the last to be (not) built? You don't have to think too hard to realize nobody wanted it. Personally the Fosters building is Meh.
There are probably several reasons it was the last to be built. The 1st and foremost is that it was the most expensive one of the group, outside of 1WTC, so financing was harder to get. The other major reason which is already the mention was that it was designed for a financial institution because of the large trading floors. It still seems to me that that design could've easily been converted to the needs of a media company without throwing it away totally. I feel the complete change in design was not because of usability but because of hardheaded management (a.k.a. Murdoch) at the media company in question.
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The new design seems to be a lot about effiecient floor spaces. It's basically just boxes on top of each other, so with that shape not much space is lost in corners etc. It's also much bigger at the bottom than on top, so that should make it also easier and cheaper to build. If I was an investor and didn't care about design, BIG seems to be the first choice for only economical reasons.
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I read that this tower will cost $4 billion to build which is even more than 1WTC costed, and will also be the most complicated to build because 2WTC needs to be constructed around a ventilation system for the Transportation Hub that cannot be moved.
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I read that this tower will cost $4 billion to build which is even more than 1WTC costed, and will also be the most complicated to build because 2WTC needs to be constructed around a ventilation system for the Transportation Hub that cannot be moved.
Not sure about $4 billion, but moving the mechanical equipment and retrofitting the foundations for the new structural scheme corresponding to BIG proposal will be a nightmare and will have a hefty price tag for sure.
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They are now getting ready to prep the site for construction, they cleaned the north corner by the new walkway that opened in June! It is confirmed that 2 World Trade Center starts next month!!!
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And the crowd went mild......

Gonna be awhile before actual construction starts.
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They are now getting ready to prep the site for construction, they cleaned the north corner by the new walkway that opened in June! It is confirmed that 2 World Trade Center starts next month!!!
Where did you see the confirmation that construction of 2 WTC starts next month? There hasn't been any announcement about a lease finally being signed.
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And the crowd went mild......

Gonna be awhile before actual construction starts.
was that a typo or was it deliberate?
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Old December 7th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #5259
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I only just now found out about the new design. I think it's simply awful. As much as I've complained about 432 Park Avenue being plain and uninspired, I view that building as a beauty compared to this. And News Corp being its main tenant is just the icing on the cake. Jarring
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Old December 7th, 2015, 07:41 PM   #5260
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It still seems to me that that design could've easily been converted to the needs of a media company without throwing it away totally.
You convert old or completed buildings not ones in the design phase. It makes no sense when you have a clean sheet of paper. I would not compromise on requirements.
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