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Old December 19th, 2015, 09:21 PM   #5301
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I think if he will turn every box in different direction, it will look alot better
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Old December 20th, 2015, 02:09 AM   #5302
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It's really not as bad as people are making it out to be.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 04:05 AM   #5303
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What a Gorgeous tower! I love how it leans into 1 WTC.

BIG's planned Highline Towers lean into each other too.

He supposedly has two other, as of yet, undisclosed supertalls planned for NY.

Is this like the 20th supertall planned for NY?

P.S.: My wife works for Silverstein. She confirmed that it's still 1,280' . The upper floors are where Larry plans to make the most profit. Cutting the height below 1,280 would be burning money. Related just made a lot of money on the top floors of 30 Hudson which tops out at 1,290'. Thus, it's badically the same height as 2 WTC.
Seeing that model, I gotta admit this tower will be a really goodlooking one, altough renders do the opposite
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Old December 20th, 2015, 05:07 AM   #5304
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No. It's really amazing. I've seen the models in person at 7 WTC. Doubters will be VERY Pleasantly surprised.
Is their a way this can be seen to the public, I know it's in 7 World Trade Center
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Old December 20th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #5305
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Maybe it won't look bad when it's completed... in 10 years...
This project has written "over budget, behind schedule" all over...
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Old December 20th, 2015, 07:39 PM   #5306
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I love how it leans into 1 WTC.
I saw this and HATE this leaning, it reminds me too much.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #5307
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I saw it too. I lived and worked by the WTC on 9-11-01. The leaning tower is amazing and shouldn't evoke memories of the falling twins. They collapsed straight Down.

The WTC area is way better than it was before 9-11. This Tower and NewsCorp will add to its extraordinary Renaissance.
I see where both of you are coming from but i felt the Foster design better emphasized the verticality which this site definitely needs. Bjarke Ingles is definitely better at designing lower-rise buildings like his 57th Pyramid-of-sorts but his 2 WTC design should have represented solid verticality from all angles which would've made his building look more stable and soaring.

However, Ingles with his design made a decent companion for tower 1 in regards to the dynamic form that 2 seems to take. For example, 1 WTC looks like the old North Tower from the north/south/east/west views but more of an obelisk-like form on the diagonal sides. Which plays into tower 2's conventional looking tower from the south and west while it has the stacked village look from the north and east.
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Old December 20th, 2015, 11:40 PM   #5308
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I was partial to the previous design. That being said, I think it will be interesting to watch this being built. We will count milestones in construction in terms of each "box" being completed as it grows.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 01:07 AM   #5309
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there seems to be a misunderstanding. The rendering above depicts the previous 1340' height. This seemingly newer rendering depicts the tower at 1270-1323'. The top "box" is notably shorter.

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Old December 21st, 2015, 12:07 PM   #5310
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This BIG pile of boxes is a super lame design. Its a real shame that Foster's magnificent design got replaced by this schlock.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 12:17 PM   #5311
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The top box is not shorter. It's half occupied and half open area surrounded by Open air glass. The latter part is not readily visible in that image -- until you zoom in, whereupon, it's readily apparent that the top box is the same height as it was previously.
If you take the height between the base of the parapet to the highest setback, the new render definitely has it shorter. Hopefully this is not a final design
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Old December 21st, 2015, 06:03 PM   #5312
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It will look amazing!
I'm not even disputing that, I'm talking about time and budget... This will potentially be a disaster.

Let's see how much time (and money) it's going to take to reconfigure and move the mechanical equipment or build around it, retrofit the foundations that were designed for F+P tower and build the first transfer floors with the slopped elements. It should be fun.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 08:59 PM   #5313
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I watched the movie Oblivion again yesterday. So nice to see the first 2WTC...
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Old December 21st, 2015, 09:13 PM   #5314
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I'm not even disputing that, I'm talking about time and budget... This will potentially be a disaster.

Let's see how much time (and money) it's going to take to reconfigure and move the mechanical equipment or build around it, retrofit the foundations that were designed for F+P tower and build the first transfer floors with the slopped elements. It should be fun.
Mechanical had to be created on permanent floor with either tower.
Temporary mechanical can be easily reconfigured for access and for routing of permanent mechanical. The reconfigured temporary mechanical will look terrible but will serve its purpose until the permanent mechanical floor is finished. (no worse than the transportation hub).

Based on the latest renders the sloped walls are only for the emergency stair wells. The diagonal columns are not a big deal. Not sure what the big problem is.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 12:31 AM   #5315
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This is the perspective. That tendering has existed from day 1. The Tower has never been and will not be 1,100'. It's 1,270'.
Silversteinproperties.com states the height will be 1,340 feet.
http://silversteinproperties.com/com...-trade-center/
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 12:35 AM   #5316
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The US should ban the Murdoch family or the companies they own from ever owning property in the United States.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 01:15 AM   #5317
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The US should ban the Murdoch family or the companies they own from ever owning property in the United States.
Just because you disagree with Fox News doesnt mean Murdoch should be banned from owning property. Grow up.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 01:28 AM   #5318
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Silversteinproperties.com states the height will be 1,340 feet.
http://silversteinproperties.com/com...-trade-center/
The WTC website lists the height as 1,270'
http://www.wtc.com/office-space/2-world-trade-center
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 03:06 AM   #5319
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Just because you disagree with Fox News doesnt mean Murdoch should be banned from owning property. Grow up.
In this specific case I disagree with his sense of architectural style. Or lack thereof. This new design is an abomination and should be universally condemned. The political side is just more evidence of their appalling nature.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 03:09 AM   #5320
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NEW YORK | 2WTC - 200 Greenwich St. | 411m | 1350ft | 88 fl | On Hold

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The WTC website lists the height as 1,270'

http://www.wtc.com/office-space/2-world-trade-center

WTC.com is the PA's site. They haven't always had the best information. Phorio (which is usually very reliable) says 1,330. CTBUH shows drawings of 1,323.

I guess we're trusting the newest shorter renderings. I hope it's not 1270.
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