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Old January 22nd, 2016, 10:02 PM   #5561
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I remember several years ago when all these skyscrapers was basically to get the greenlight for the construction of them. Me and many others had to endure verbal attacks because we wanted something similar to the original than all those skyscrapers that would begin to be built back then. Me personally would just rebuild the Twin Towers 1776 feet in roof height. The wast majority masses in this site said that these skyscrapers is something much better and it will be a much better replacing than it was when the Twin Towers stood here. I disagreed with that, but the spot grew on me when I saw the result and the desire to want to build something new and modern. The only skyscraper I looked forward to getting built was Foster 2WTC. That design stood out from the crowd of other skyscrapers not only in New York but the entire World.

Then the 2WTC who was the pinnacle of this future site was put on hold for many years, and it seemed that it fell into some sorts of oblivion. No progress for years and then came the Danish BIG's Leaning Tower. If this is called to rebuild the skyline of Lower Manhattan, those in charge of this circus has failed miserably.
It would have been much more appreciated by people of New York if it was placed in the Hudson Yards. Which is the right Place for this kind of buildings.
Lower Manhattan is a showcase to the outside world. This is where New York Begins. This is where high-class buildings should be stately and show New York in its glory.

When I see all the Mumbo Jumbo behind this Projects of today I just wish the whole circus behind all this would had just go back to the roots and built bigger, better, stronger and more mightier Twin Towers. It would have been best for the city, the people, the victims, for the owners and for the economy of the greatest city in the whole wide World. It will not occure I know that but it would have been the best idea if we all knew that this would be the results of continuing delayings, plannings, lack of tenants etc etc.

To say all this is not politically correct but it's the truth and I Believe that many have thought the same thing about all of this.

Before attacking me remeber that I know it is a matter of demanding of tenants and I support Fosters design 100% and hope that Silverstein and Co will go for it eventually. This is more then just renting out office spaces. This is something that would heal and show the strength of the greatest city in Mankind. I am one of them who takes this site and Projects very personal. My father worked there in the early 90's. Thanks.
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 10:15 PM   #5562
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To be honest, the only good things about the old towers were the first and top floor's cladding.
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 10:50 PM   #5563
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 10:52 PM   #5564
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Do you also credit yourself with building a house after you have painted the door?
Do you credit yourself for not shutting up for once?
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 10:54 PM   #5565
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I'm feeling the love in this thread today...
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 12:33 AM   #5566
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 12:43 AM   #5567
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Maybe it's his edit everybody calm down please
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 01:33 AM   #5568
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Hmmm...

The painfull truth is that on september 11th 2021, two decades after the attacks, there will still a construction hole... an empty space... an incomplete complex...

I wish they could build 2 WTC by forehand and than lease the tower... The empire state building started this way.

Great opposite, BIG design is probably ending in a nice trashbin.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 10:23 AM   #5569
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The contrarian in me wants to say, i don't like the Norman Foster design, just to go against the crowd.
Everyone likes it, so i must not go along with the masses.
But in this instance I will, fosters design is what got me interested In ssc, it's better in quality and in design than any of the mega towers in Asia.
It's like a mix of new York 'giant scale' and european 'modern but elegant'.
Fosters design Is both huge, modern and beautifull. None of that kitchy tack you see elsewhere.
That's why it suites new york so well, and would be an instant icon for new York and would show off it's status as the alpha city. New York is too prestigious and refined to have kitchy asian like towers or silly falling blocks.
Norman fosters tower perfectly shows new york as being a city unlike any other. The tower befits the leader of the developed world perfectly, it's both BIG AND BEAUTIFUL. MODERN AND REFINED. EYECATCHING AND IMPRESSIVE. build it now
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 11:36 AM   #5570
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I hope BIG's design is built as WTC 5/6 or somewhere else in the city
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 03:11 PM   #5571
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BIG's design ....standing on its own has merit and is interesting.....just not as part of the WTC complex.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 04:22 PM   #5572
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BIG's design ....leaning on its own has merit and is interesting.....just not as part of the WTC complex. (agreed!)
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 05:48 PM   #5573
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Why would Murdock pull out so late? It seemed a done deal...maybe this was a ploy to negotiate better prices up at mid town?
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 07:50 PM   #5574
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 08:55 PM   #5575
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Is it tue there's a chance to bring back the original Forster's design? Fingers crossed to be true!
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Old January 25th, 2016, 03:47 AM   #5576
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Is it tue there's a chance to bring back the original Forster's design? Fingers crossed to be true!
Lately, I have seen several large newspapers covering the unpopularity of BIG's proposal. When even the mainstream media begins to take a stance against it, I'd say it's not unlikely that BIG's design will eventually be scrapped. This leaves Silverstein in a a bit of a dilemma, as he is now again left without a design. The easiest thing to do then will be to return to the original Foster design. That decision would also send a signal of a much less chaotic management than the alternative of suddenly deciding on a whole third design. Call me optimistic, but I don't think it's unlikely that well see Foster's design rise within the next few years.
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Old January 25th, 2016, 06:17 AM   #5577
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Get real people, Silverstein's not gonna shell out the big bucks and waste even more time by ripping up the current foundation for a design that isn't even relevant anymore. He won't necessarily revert to Foster's design, but he certainly won't be keeping BIG's current one.
I don't understand people like Silverstein. He's old, he's going to die soon. What's he going to do with his money after he's dead, count it eternally deep in his pyramid?

Why not spend it all now and create a legacy. He should build something great there, irrelevant of tenants. He'll be dead before the building is finished anyway, so what does he care. Spend the money on something truly great, and that way he really will be remembered for eternity. They only way to cheat death is to do something GREAT and be remembered forever.
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Old January 25th, 2016, 02:24 PM   #5578
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New York is not made of lego. His legacy is fiscal responsibility and only building things that are economically viable. That's more important than monuments to his own ego.

In a way, I'm glad that the WTC has had tenancy issues and construction setbacks. It shows that it's not a vanity project or some national memorial. It's a working part of the city. Nothing has changed. Skyscrapers only get built in NYC if they're profitable. In that sense, the terrorists have lost because it is business as usual in lower Manhattan, even if that business is painfully slow.
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Old January 25th, 2016, 06:21 PM   #5579
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I don't understand people like Silverstein. He's old, he's going to die soon. What's he going to do with his money after he's dead, count it eternally deep in his pyramid?

Why not spend it all now and create a legacy. He should build something great there, irrelevant of tenants. He'll be dead before the building is finished anyway, so what does he care. Spend the money on something truly great, and that way he really will be remembered for eternity. They only way to cheat death is to do something GREAT and be remembered forever.

LOL!!...Your parents didn't teach you respect??
..Take care not to die before him!
Silverstein is an american businessman;not the Santa Claus you still believe in!

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New York is not made of lego. His legacy is fiscal responsibility and only building things that are economically viable. That's more important than monuments to his own ego.

In a way, I'm glad that the WTC has had tenancy issues and construction setbacks. It shows that it's not a vanity project or some national memorial. It's a working part of the city. Nothing has changed. Skyscrapers only get built in NYC if they're profitable. In that sense, the terrorists have lost because it is business as usual in lower Manhattan, even if that business is painfully slow.
Wow you guys really don't get it. That's too bad.
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