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Old February 25th, 2016, 05:47 AM   #5721
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I'm 14 and I wish I could have seen them with my own eyes, but they came down when I was only 1 month old
You really know how to make me feel really old...as one who saw them go up, and come down...
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Old February 25th, 2016, 06:27 AM   #5722
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so why are you reading this tread then?
Because it's a shame what economization can do to what could have been something extraordinary.

The twins were iconic, beautiful, sleek. If they built the new complex without any cuts, they could have equalled them. But it's been reduced to nothing more than some angled bland forms. The original twins had a powerful monolithic simplicity that the new towers can't match.

4WTC is the only one that ended up beautiful, because it wasn't value-engineered. The other three had their defining aspects castrated.

I only hope that Bjarke's blocks are removed and something as nice as Foster's design can take its place.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 01:32 PM   #5723
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You should. First because you were the one that started talking about how as a 15 year old kid, you loved the old towers. Second because I'm an architecture student, so I might know just a little bit more about it since I'm receiving classes about all this.



Literally nobody would waste money on that. They won't even spend it on Foster's perfect 2WTC, why would they waste it on something that has no sense, would generate more expenditures than income, could be considered disrespectful my many people, would have virtually no tenants, force to demolish something they just built... There's no reason to build it.

"We don't know the future" great argument. Do you think the same about Chicago Spire, or any other project that was at least proposed? What you're talking about is just some people's crazy idea influenced by emotions. So no, it will never happen. Stop deluding yourself.



Yes it will. The project looked great without needing to add or take anything from it. Look what happened when they changed Foster's 2WTC. They ruined the whole complex. You should get over it because you're a kid, it's annoying and I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks like this. Nobody cares about how you feel, be realistic.
I'm assuming you never seen my response a few posts back.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 05:27 PM   #5724
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Because it's a shame what economization can do to what could have been something extraordinary.

The twins were iconic, beautiful, sleek. If they built the new complex without any cuts, they could have equalled them. But it's been reduced to nothing more than some angled bland forms. The original twins had a powerful monolithic simplicity that the new towers can't match.

4WTC is the only one that ended up beautiful, because it wasn't value-engineered. The other three had their defining aspects castrated.

I only hope that Bjarke's blocks are removed and something as nice as Foster's design can take its place.

...Pretty sad to read such a piece of nonsense...especially because the original twins were really ugly!
Moreover,since when is economization a bad thing?..is the PA a church??
Tower 7 is a good one
The Memorial is magnificent
The transportation hub is an iconic masterpiece
Tower 4 is:wow!!
One WTC is a solid piece of architecture
Tower 3 is not bad
Tower 2 by Ingels is imo a great achievement
The VSC/church/gardens are gorgeous
WHERE IS THE FAILURE!??
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Old February 28th, 2016, 03:31 AM   #5725
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"Oh magic conch,will 2 WTC ever be built?"
Conch : "Maybe someday."
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Old February 28th, 2016, 02:26 PM   #5726
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...Pretty sad to read such a piece of nonsense...especially because the original twins were really ugly!
Moreover,since when is economization a bad thing?..is the PA a church??
Tower 7 is a good one
The Memorial is magnificent
The transportation hub is an iconic masterpiece
Tower 4 is:wow!!
One WTC is a solid piece of architecture
Tower 3 is not bad
Tower 2 by Ingels is imo a great achievement
The VSC/church/gardens are gorgeous
WHERE IS THE FAILURE!??
In BIG's design
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Old February 29th, 2016, 02:45 AM   #5727
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The original World Trade Center was an icon to those who loved them, however to the people bringing them up and favouring them to the new site... let go or move on. Your opinion will not be disproved but what we have now is staying. It is repetitive to talk about what could have been, we should focus on what is here now. We have no idea what a rebuilding of the original World Trade Center would look like or be perceived. Maybe they would have looked incredible or maybe for some they would be haunting and a reminder of what happened. There are too many variables in bringing them back so creating something completely new was necessary so the reaction would be neutral.

The new World Trade Center complex is so young and new and is not even finished. Judgement should be made when the site is completely finished. Construction done, everything cleaned and presented and viewed in person. As when you view something through a device it is very different to seeing it in person. Also you are viewing the site with the original World Trade Center in your context and as your favoured site... so you are naturally bias. Imagine you had no knowledge of the original site and you viewed this site for the first time... perhaps your mindset would be different.

I have always loved this new site, I never had the privilege of seeing the original site in person but through devices they looked mesmerizing. As a younger individual I believe seeing this site rising has made me appreciate the site even more. We share the same notion, the ones who favour the original as they either saw them in person or watched their construction and now similarly with this site. Nonetheless it is essential Fosters design is picked or an equally beautiful design for the site to be what it should be. I really hope his design gets picked. Let's be grateful we have anything... be grateful for what is... once complete I believe it will redefine the skyline.
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Old March 2nd, 2016, 11:22 PM   #5728
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This entire thread has become a train wreck. Just like 2WTC itself.
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This entire thread has become a train wreck. Just like 2WTC itself.
And I caused it, my bad...
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Old March 2nd, 2016, 11:46 PM   #5731
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And I caused it, my bad...
You didn't cause it. This thread was already a train wreck before you got here.
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Old March 3rd, 2016, 04:13 PM   #5732
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And I caused it, my bad...
You're obviously new here. This thread went to hell two years ago and has been spiraling the drain ever since.
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Old March 3rd, 2016, 07:51 PM   #5733
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Well I talked about building twin freedom towers and everyone has been pretty much talking about the twin towers debate since.
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Old March 3rd, 2016, 11:04 PM   #5734
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You're obviously new here. This thread went to hell two years ago and has been spiraling the drain ever since.
It's not the thread that went to hell - it's the project itself, as you pointed previously...
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Old March 4th, 2016, 11:29 AM   #5735
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Well I talked about building twin freedom towers and everyone has been pretty much talking about the twin towers debate since.
Yes, in all the years that this thread has been open, this is the first time anybody's ever mentioned twin towers. If only we'd discussed this before we could have made some real progress in this thread.
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Although I'm new here, I have been reading the thread of the WTC progress since 2012, which began my growing interest of the twin towers and as a result, made me become more inspired and intrigued by those towers than the new ones. Don't get me wrong, the new buildings are awesome, but like I've said before, the classic is often better than the reboot, and the World Trade Center is a good example.
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Old March 4th, 2016, 11:06 PM   #5737
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Yeah, the Twins were awesome. We all miss the Twins. They were one of a kind. They dominated the skyline. They were the kings of all skyscrapers. Tall. Domineering. Intimidating. Bold. Bulky. Handsome. The list goes on. But, alas, the Twins are gone. They will never come back. That's that. Maybe in the future some bold investors will construct a replica of the Twins somewhere else in the city. A far fetched maybe. But the fact remains that they are a distant memory that went down in a terrible inferno.
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Old March 4th, 2016, 11:22 PM   #5738
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Yeah, the Twins were awesome. We all miss the Twins. They were one of a kind. They dominated the skyline. They were the kings of all skyscrapers. Tall. Domineering. Intimidating. Bold. Bulky. Handsome. The list goes on. But, alas, the Twins are gone. They will never come back. That's that. Maybe in the future some bold investors will construct a replica of the Twins somewhere else in the city. A far fetched maybe. But the fact remains that they are a distant memory that went down in a terrible inferno.

Born and raised in NYC.. my dad used to take me downtown as a kid to show me the twins rising. He would tell me.. those two buildings are gonna touch the clouds!

They were, along with the original Yankee Stadium, my favorite place in NYC. The twins were BAD ASS!! Just awesome..Yes.. Bold, Intimidating, etc.. it was the focal point to the skyline and on any road trip we took.. you knew you were gettin close to home when you could see them far in the distance. Right out of college I worked down there.. I'd eat lunch across the street in Liberty Park(later known for Occupy Wall St). I was always in awe of the towers and went up to the observation deck inside and out at least a dozen times. Had New Years dinner at Windows on the World with my family a few times.

The new WTC is fine.. they did a great job of the memorial, the museum and now the transit hall. 1 WTC is cool...4 WTC is ok.. 3 WTC still under contruction and 2 WTC... who knows.

I go down there and appreciate it.. but it still brings me back to what was..

NEVER FORGET!
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I'm guessing Half-Life 3 will be realesed before this thing gets above ground level.
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Yeah, the Twins were awesome. We all miss the Twins. They were one of a kind. They dominated the skyline. They were the kings of all skyscrapers. Tall. Domineering. Intimidating. Bold. Bulky. Handsome. The list goes on. But, alas, the Twins are gone. They will never come back. That's that. Maybe in the future some bold investors will construct a replica of the Twins somewhere else in the city. A far fetched maybe. But the fact remains that they are a distant memory that went down in a terrible inferno.
Yeah. But I hope that a replica would be rebuilt. One of these days, some billionaire investor out there has to put those buildings back so other generations can experience it just like people in the 60's - 2001 did.
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