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Old August 5th, 2016, 03:12 AM   #5941
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Some good news. Financial firm looking for a lot of space in either Hudson Yards, Manhattan West, or WTC. Possible anchor? Possible resurrection of Foster's 2WTC given the prospective tenant?
Not getting my hopes up yet, but keeping an eye on this. Bringing back Foster design would be marvelous. BIG ain't ugly or anything, it's interesting and worth building someday somewhere, but it just doesn't compare to the original. Foster's design became a classic the day it was revealed and already proven itself to be timeless, perfect for NY and for the particular site and compliment other towers impeccably.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 03:51 PM   #5942
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Looking at Foster's 2WTC in google earth within the context of the skyline, there's just no comparison. It was bound to become a new icon for the site/city. Just a masterpiece of a tower gracing the prow of lower manhattan. It would make way more sense financially to stick with the original plan and would probably be done faster as well.

It would truly suck if Foster's tower does not end up rising here which seems a real possibility atm.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 10:35 PM   #5943
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My main concern is that if Foster's tower was built, it would be value-engineered to all hell. Like, imagine the diamonds being cut and replaced with 4 flat roofs.

The longer it takes for this to get off the ground, the more competition it faces, and the more likely costs will be cut somewhere.

If Foster's tower is not built to spec, I rather just have BIG's version.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 11:38 PM   #5944
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I guess, but I just can't see them altering the diamonds very much if they stick with Foster's plan as it was such a fundamental part of the design. They were designed that way to point down to the memorial as a perpetual point of reference. They would likely end up cutting height or something.

Besides, Foster's is a $3.5 billion tower vs BIG's which is already estimated to be $4 billion. Sticking with the original plan would already be a cost cutting measure lol.

Considering how other projects at the site went over budget, one can only imagine how expensive Ingles's tower ends up being (especially if the foundation issues are true). Who knows how much value-engineering happens to that one as well when all is said and done. It could end up as just a simple glass box.

Just a waiting game now for a potential tenant to decide which way this tower goes.
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Old August 6th, 2016, 12:18 AM   #5945
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Blackrock could be looking at 3WTC as well. Personally I'm done with following every little whiff of tenant news on this. When it happens, it happens. Been disappointed far too many times now.
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Old August 6th, 2016, 02:44 AM   #5946
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https://www.silversteinproperties.co...ng-information

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Old August 7th, 2016, 03:18 PM   #5947
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Not getting my hopes up yet, but keeping an eye on this. Bringing back Foster design would be marvelous. BIG ain't ugly or anything, it's interesting and worth building someday somewhere, but it just doesn't compare to the original. Foster's design became a classic the day it was revealed and already proven itself to be timeless, perfect for NY and for the particular site and compliment other towers impeccably.
Can't read the linked story. WSJ wants you to pay for the privelige.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 12:05 AM   #5948
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Can't read the linked story. WSJ wants you to pay for the privelige.
Go back to quoted post, baronson copied most important excerpts
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Old August 8th, 2016, 01:21 AM   #5949
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The latest renderings and detailed floor plans released for BIG's 2WTC on Silverstein's website does not look good for Foster's tower ever returning. There's even options for financial tenants now...

I guess unless a specific tenant requests Foster's tower, may need to give up hope of it ever returning.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 10:31 PM   #5950
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Not sure why those links don't work

https://www.silversteinproperties.co...g-availability

https://www.silversteinproperties.co...ng-information

But yea, not looking good for Foster. It looks like this tower will definitely be close to 1260-1270 according to the diagrams in that second link. Like I've stated before, I've gone through the 5 stages of grief multiple times with the design change. I'm ok with BIG's tower. I'm not ok with what may be a completion date of 2118.
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Old August 8th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #5951
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Not sure why those links don't work

https://www.silversteinproperties.co...g-availability

https://www.silversteinproperties.co...ng-information

But yea, not looking good for Foster. It looks like this tower will definitely be close to 1260-1270 according to the diagrams in that second link. Like I've stated before, I've gone through the 5 stages of grief multiple times with the design change. I'm ok with BIG's tower. I'm not ok with what may be a completion date of 2118.
Holy shit! 2118!
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2238 as a completion date is more like it!
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Old August 9th, 2016, 07:26 PM   #5953
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Holy shit! 2118!
2118 won't happen because the 100 years lease from Silverstein to the PA will have expired...
Clock is ticking for SP - granted there's still time on that lease, but clock's ticking nonetheless...
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Old August 10th, 2016, 02:12 AM   #5954
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2238 as a completion date is more like it!
I think anything this millennium is too optimistic honestly... maybe 3018? If I cryogenically freeze myself I just might be able to see this site completed, maybe Silverstein should do the same.
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Old August 10th, 2016, 02:19 AM   #5955
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I'd gladly wait another decade or so if it meant Foster's tower or a new design would rise over BIG's tower. Tenants change but the exterior of the building is what your stuck with in the long run. Although I highly doubt it will take anywhere near that long for this thing to resume.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 04:25 PM   #5956
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I hate to believe it, but with the publication and promotion of BIG's version and the massive floor plates, it is likely the one that will get built. It also had media and other tenants in mind that seem to be looking for office space, while the Foster version was built mostly with trading and finance in mind. I would much rather have the Foster version. The diamonds would be iconic and would stand out from all the other new construction going on. In 15-20 years (if the BIG version goes up) it will blend in more and be less iconic with several other proposals (80 South, 45 Park, 125 Gren, etc.) all going up in lower manhattan. The Foster version stands on its own, especially considering some of the original renders that had the diamonds lit up at night.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 08:39 PM   #5957
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I'd gladly wait another decade or so if it meant Foster's tower or a new design would rise over BIG's tower. Tenants change but the exterior of the building is what your stuck with in the long run. Although I highly doubt it will take anywhere near that long for this thing to resume.
I'd just about take a 10-story turd at this point just to finally have construction over at the WTC site.
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Old August 15th, 2016, 03:53 PM   #5958
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Why not BIG's version on the place of 5WTC, Fosters on 2WTC. Problem solved!
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Might as well build a giant McDonalds M on the 2WTC site.
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Old August 19th, 2016, 07:09 AM   #5960
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Why not BIG's version on the place of 5WTC, Fosters on 2WTC. Problem solved!
Because there's not enough room on the 5 WTC plot and it would ruin the spiral design of the site.
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