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Old September 3rd, 2016, 03:54 AM   #6001
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Speaking about antagonism you should check the opinion of some of the people who appear to be the biggest fans of postmodern stuff on these forums, then you'll see a completely new definition for antagonism on a completely new levels and words like atrocity and crimes against the world of architecture so frequently, ofcourse all of this used just to describe everything modern.
I don't remember myself using such words as much as I dislike postmodern.
You say the architecture of the 1950s-1960s NYC was NOT GOOD. Well I say that just before a couple of years New York looked amazing, it had both historical and modern buildings and they looked so good next to each other, these days the city is crowded with postmodern stuff, if it's good or not, I'll leave for the rest of the people to say.
As a practitioner, my personal opinion is that I think that its good that for the first time in well over a century we live in an age where multiple modes of architecture expression can be had. Thirty years ago Robert AM Stern would've been castigated for any of his new towers. They would've cried bloody murder at 15 CPW. I mean Ada Louise Huxtable about had a conniption fit over Johnson's AT&T Building (she came around in time - should also point out Lewis Mumford was no fan of Rockefeller Center and really did not like many of Candela's buildings). Nowadays, there is a vibrant diversity. SHoP Architects is playfully reviving old languages and writing a new book on contemporary ones, David Chipperfield is bringing his brand of restrained modernism to Bryant Park, Peter Pennoyer is holding down the fort doing very historically honest work on the UES, and at the same time you have Bjarke and Jacques Herzog and Foster doing excellent work as well. These really are the good days if you're a design architect. That's why I said the every day practice of architecture and the discourse are on very different pages.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 09:21 PM   #6002
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Quick clip of wtc site 15 years after 9/11.
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Old September 12th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #6003
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Is there any chance the original design is going to be built instead of this one?
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Old September 12th, 2016, 04:09 PM   #6004
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At this point I'm just wondering if anything will get built.
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Old September 13th, 2016, 03:27 AM   #6005
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What!, NOO, Norman foster desing isss much better!
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Old September 13th, 2016, 01:56 PM   #6006
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Can they just remove the overhanging bits

Because what makes it look bad is the way it overhangs and makes it look like its leaning
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Old September 13th, 2016, 06:45 PM   #6007
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Can they just remove the overhanging bits

Because what makes it look bad is the way it overhangs and makes it look like its leaning
Can they just remove everything? Lol

I don't like anything about this building no matter how much I look at it. Even just a box or a glass version of the south tower would be nicer. I just wish they could work with or tweak Foster's tower and make it more appealing to other types of tenants.
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Old September 14th, 2016, 06:24 PM   #6008
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Is there any chance the original design is going to be built instead of this one?
Its been all quiet on the western front since fox pulled out of this project. The original Foster design was my favorite of all the wtc buildings. Sure hope they ditch that newer design. That was as ugly a building I think i've seen design wise.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 02:46 AM   #6009
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I saw on CBS New York I Think last week about the WTC2 and they interviewed Larry Silverstein and he was asked by the reporter when WTC2 will be finished and he said as follow... "At the latest it will be done early 2021 but more realistic spring early summer 2020.
My vision is that I want to have an Grand Opening of Tower 2 for the city and the people on saturday July 4 2020. Thats my goal for now I am working on".

Thats almoust a time span of 20 years and less then 4 years to be finished. Time is running out but hopefully he will "pull it" together, but but back to this. I Think they are eager to find a tenant with econimic muscles who will take WTC2 under their wings so to speak. I just hope that they go with Fosters Design instead of the joke called "Leaning Tower". They can Place BIG:s LT in Hudson yards it could fit there but not in Lower Manhattan in the Finance Center of the World where the World looks on you. The architecture there must be the pinnacle on marvel design and be deserved to be part of the WTC complex.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 03:05 AM   #6010
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They are currently negotiating with several different companies, and they even have the possbility of a signing by the end of the year. Nothing is official at this point, so just remember that.

Also, it's pretty much guarenteed at this point that the BIG design is staying.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 03:22 AM   #6011
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They are currently negotiating with several different companies, and they even have the possbility of a signing by the end of the year. Nothing is official at this point, so just remember that.

Also, it's pretty much guarenteed at this point that the BIG design is staying.
Ugh, just painful to hear

RIP Foster design.
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Old September 15th, 2016, 04:13 PM   #6012
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Better a slightly inferior design gets built than a superior one remains in perpetual development hell.

At this point, the new design, while not as good as Foster's, is one that can actually rise sometime this century, completing the complex and improving the site in general.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 06:57 AM   #6013
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Better a slightly inferior design gets built than a superior one remains in perpetual development hell.

At this point, the new design, while not as good as Foster's, is one that can actually rise sometime this century, completing the complex and improving the site in general.
lol i thought i was in the Hengqin Headquarters thread. It totally applies here as well though.
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Old September 30th, 2016, 09:41 PM   #6014
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BlackRock narrows search for new headquarters office
The investment firm is no longer considering moving its Park Avenue office to 2 World Trade Center

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Old October 7th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #6015
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Ugh, just painful to hear

RIP Foster design.
It's still just pure speculation? No official word has been made yet?

http://newyorkyimby.com/2016/07/its-...de-center.html

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Old October 10th, 2016, 10:41 PM   #6016
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Some insight on the controversy with 2 WTC's design.

Bjarke Ingels will build you the tower of your dreams — just don’t ask him to sign the paperwork

Danish architect discusses collaboration, red tape and 2 WTC at New Yorker fest

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Ingels, speaking with the New Yorker’s Ian Parker, discussed his design for 2 World Trade Center, which he had drawn up with Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. and 21st Century Fox empire in mind. He envisioned open floor plans and heaps of outdoor space, but with Murdoch out of the picture and Silverstein on the lookout for a new anchor tenant, that design could change.
Still a glimmer of hope for Foster's tower.
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Old October 10th, 2016, 10:55 PM   #6017
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All I got from that article is that BIG's design is here to stay though it my be altered depending on whomever decides to anchor it.

Really, the only way Foster's tower is getting built now is if a specific tenant comes along and wants it, otherwise lower manhattan will be stuck with this thing for eternity
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Old October 10th, 2016, 10:56 PM   #6018
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“I think a lot of aspects of the design have a lot of merit that maybe are more universal than were specific for Fox and News Corp.,” Ingels said. “But I also think that if someone were to show up who had different and highly specific requirements then I think that could also be accommodated.”

Larry Silverstein has indicated he will stick with Ingels’ design, but that construction on the 2.8 million square-foot tower will have to wait until a new anchor is found.

Ingels noted change is always part of the process. After all, Norman Foster was jettisoned even after the foundations had been poured with his design in mind.

“It’s always too early to celebrate in architecture,” Ingels said. “Once that tenant has been found, we’ll know.”
Foster’s diamond-shape design was perfect for a law firm or financial institution but wouldn’t appeal to a media company, Ingels said. In a fairly accurate impression of Silverstein’s voice, he recounted the developer’s concerns that his design would stand out as an “alien newcomer” among the other buildings, which had been designed in tandem by different architects working in the same room of 7 World Trade Center.

“Do I think it’s brilliant? Yes,” Ingels said, assuming a raspy, Silverstein-like cadence. “Do I understand that you’ve done everything that you can to accommodate the needs of your client? Yes. Do I think it fits here? No.”

After the other WTC designers, including David Childs of Skidmore Owings and Merrill, the firm that designed One World Trade Center, gave their blessing, Silverstein approved the design, Ingels said. (Silverstein told The Real Deal a similar version of this story earlier this year.)
It's weird that Silverstein says he'll stick with it even though he himself doesn't think it fits.

Honestly at this point I'd be happy with whatever, just as long as they remove the Orwellian news tickers from the BIG design.
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Old October 10th, 2016, 11:38 PM   #6019
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It's weird that Silverstein says he'll stick with it even though he himself doesn't think it fits.
Sigh. Sounds like a powerful man in desperate search of an opinion. It'd be a shame if he died knowing the final piece of his legacy at the WTC was a building he didn't even like.
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Old October 11th, 2016, 09:12 AM   #6020
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I'm repeating (aka, direct quoting) myself from earlier today on the Yimby forums, but this most recent article has me thinking a lot about this tower again:

My problem isn't with BIG's design if we're looking at it in a vacuum. It's not ugly on its own, and it's unquestionably an attention grabber, just like Ingels himself. I think it would look perfect in a location like 50 Hudson Yards, interlocking with the lean of 30HY, or even in Midtown East on one of the Vanderbilt corridor plots (below I've posted a quick Photoshop of what the latter would look like)...


2WTC Vandy by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

But for my money, the WTC calls for soaring verticality and a certain quiet grace. From the North in particular, BIG's tower somehow feels stunted even though it's nearly as tall as 1WTC, due to the squat proportions of those uppermost sections. It's very possible my qualms would mostly be erased if the volumes got taller as the tower rises, instead if shorter.

But more importantly I don't think a loud design that you can't look away from is appropriate for the site (I won't dive into the "leaning" question but the initial reveal of the design made my stomach turn), which is why I'd like to see Foster's design return.

However this article gives me hope that even if BIG's design stays, Ingels could revise this into a quieter, more solemn tower that works harmoniously with the rest of the site.
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