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Old November 22nd, 2017, 01:14 AM   #6301
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The second one. The first design will never be built ever. The second one might not either, but it's the current plan.


I wouldn’t say “never ever” because the foundations are for Fosters design. The main tenant will decide if they want to spend the extra millions to redo or enhance them to build something else.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 01:15 AM   #6302
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The second one. The first design will never be built ever. The second one might not either, but it's the current plan.
Okay good, you're giving me some hope then.
The BIG's design looks like a pile of Legos a seven-year-old stacked, this proposal in todays modern skyscraper era is not only a joke but disrespectfulness, these towers aren't just for the companies to use them they're supposed to represent a strong comeback from a tragic event that New York experienced.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 02:06 AM   #6303
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Okay good, you're giving me some hope then.
The BIG's design looks like a pile of Legos a seven-year-old stacked, this proposal in todays modern skyscraper era is not only a joke but disrespectfulness, these towers aren't just for the companies to use them they're supposed to represent a strong comeback from a tragic event that New York experienced.
Yes, but in the end, capitalism reigns. No one cares about sentimentality or disrespectfulness. Unless it can be exploited to make money.

Which ironically, this site is a very fitting place for such apathy and ruthlessness. The WTC is capitalism in building form.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 02:50 AM   #6304
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Yes, but in the end, capitalism reigns. No one cares about sentimentality or disrespectfulness. Unless it can be exploited to make money.

Which ironically, this site is a very fitting place for such apathy and ruthlessness. The WTC is is capitalism in building form.
All i know is some people have no taste at all. Hopefully the new tenants overthrow this design.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 03:54 AM   #6305
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All i know is some people have no taste at all. Hopefully the new tenants overthrow this design.
It’s all about the floor plate, and in this case design #2 is vastly superior more attractive to office tenants. I wish it weren’t the case, as I loved the original.
I do think it’s possible we might get a third design revision, for better or for worse.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 05:38 AM   #6306
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It’s all about the floor plate, and in this case design #2 is vastly superior more attractive to office tenants. I wish it weren’t the case, as I loved the original.
I do think it’s possible we might get a third design revision, for better or for worse.
I don't think it could get any worse.
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 06:21 AM   #6307
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I hope it stays on hold for another decade... I am not entirely upset with what is there now in relation to the new "world trade center redevelopment"; I don't think 2WTC is even needed and I think anything you put on that site will bring forth the twin tower shape to some degree on the skyline.. no thanks... I like the wider gap like there is now between 3 WTC and 1 WTC..I would let some demand pick up a little bit as well.. there is no way all of those towers are already full..
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 07:42 AM   #6308
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I disagree. This is the cornerstone building of the WTC campus. Something needs to be built here, something taller than 3 WTC and preferably without a flat top. Foster's design did this perfectly.

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Old November 22nd, 2017, 05:24 PM   #6309
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I expect another redesign
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Old November 22nd, 2017, 09:17 PM   #6310
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A spokesperson for Silverstein Properties confirmed the settlement. “We are pleased to have finally reached a resolution to this piece of post-9/11 litigation. We are currently devoting our attention to the ongoing construction of 3 World Trade Center, which we will open in the spring, and to the development of 2 World Trade Center,” he told RT.com by email.


https://www.rt.com/usa/410665-twin-t...rline-lawsuit/
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 01:11 AM   #6311
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It’s all about the floor plate, and in this case design #2 is vastly superior more attractive to office tenants. I wish it weren’t the case, as I loved the original.
I do think it’s possible we might get a third design revision, for better or for worse.
How do we know this?

Don't both designs have the same square footage? Plus Foster's design has the benefit of an already existing foundation and lobby level which may have to be totally demolished if BIG's design goes through, costing far more time and resources, not the mention cost.

It seems the more economical and faster option atm is Foster's tower. Anyway, I'm not giving up hope until construction actually begins here.
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Old December 3rd, 2017, 12:43 PM   #6312
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Also, let's not forget the projected price tag on BIG's 2 WTC is an eye watering 4$ billion dollars. That's even more than 1 WTC. I'm assuming the demolition and rebuilding of the foundations alone could make out quite a difference of that price tag, not to mention the additional steel needed for the cantilevered sections. And, as we all know, price is what determines the outcome of the buildings on this site (*cough* value engineering *cough*).
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Old December 4th, 2017, 09:46 PM   #6313
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Yeh it just wouldn't make sense at this point i am expecting a new redesign matching the already existing foundation on site cause this thing is taking way to long already or even better go and continue FOSTERS.
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Old December 5th, 2017, 03:14 AM   #6314
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Yeh it just wouldn't make sense at this point i am expecting a new redesign matching the already existing foundation on site cause this thing is taking way to long already or even better go and continue FOSTERS.
I don't even have a problem with BIG's design at all but I agree it really makes no sense why they would go through all that extra work and money do undo the already existing foundation. On top of that, the only reason the BIG redesign happened was to suit media companies which ended up backing out anyway.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 10:30 PM   #6315
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I disagree. This is the cornerstone building of the WTC campus. Something needs to be built here, something taller than 3 WTC and preferably without a flat top. Foster's design did this perfectly.

or maybe even taller than 1 WTC. The footprint is large enough to comfortably take a 2000 ft bldg.

having the keystone building be the tallest of the set could still be as aesthetically pleasing as the stair step look for the set as currently envisioned.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 10:50 PM   #6316
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or maybe even taller than 1 WTC. The footprint is large enough to comfortably take a 2000 ft bldg.

having the keystone building be the tallest of the set could still be as aesthetically pleasing as the stair step look for the set as currently envisioned.
Yeh I have to agree with that option. Things have changed in the last decade since the plans were finalized. Time to be bold.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 11:17 PM   #6317
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No chance they allow a building taller than 1 WTC, on the site.

Should be more concerned with 2 WTC possibly receiving a height decrease.
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The height of 1WTC was also chosen for patriotic symbolism.
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Old December 8th, 2017, 11:44 PM   #6319
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The height of 1WTC was also chosen for patriotic symbolism.


Some would say the end of America was in 2016. So how about a 2016ft tower? The start of the story close to the end....

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Old December 9th, 2017, 12:05 AM   #6320
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No chance they allow a building taller than 1 WTC, on the site.

Should be more concerned with 2 WTC possibly receiving a height decrease.
I think it already has seen one. 1270' is the height listed on the official websites. The sad part about this entire campus is that 3 WTC was originally supposed to be only 30' shorter than that.
3 WTC went from 1240 to 1070. Does that mean 2 WTC will go from its original 1350 to 1180? I'm joking of course, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Thank goodness for the 1368-1776 symbolism, otherwise they probably would have built 1 WTC shorter as well.
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