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Old December 28th, 2017, 07:38 PM   #6361
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Hate this design so much.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 08:02 PM   #6362
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BIG is a good little Twin Tower!!! Forster Design is 0% a twin tower!!!!! I hate the old design!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old December 28th, 2017, 08:32 PM   #6363
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BIG is a good little Twin Tower!!! Forster Design is 0% a twin tower!!!!! I hate the old design!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BIG's design looks more like a retarded cousin than a twin.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 08:41 PM   #6364
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Hate this design so much.
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The only good view IMO is from the memorial and Jersey.
Agreed, I also don't mind this view (below)... the rest is just vomit-inducing!

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Old December 28th, 2017, 09:11 PM   #6365
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BIG is a good little Twin Tower!!! Forster Design is 0% a twin tower!!!!! I hate the old design!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More like fraternal twin, if you can even call it that. Manhattan West is closest thing you'll get to the original WTC.

Ironically, Foster's original kissing twin towers was also considered for the site.

He just doesn't have any luck Downtown.....

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Old December 28th, 2017, 09:13 PM   #6366
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My main issue with the BIG design is not the setbacks or the shape, but the fact that it looks like it is unstable and about to tip over due to the overhangs. Not exactly the kind of design you'd want for this site, considering the history.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 09:17 PM   #6367
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Look man these towers aren't just for the companies to use them they're replacing once iconic buildings that supposed to represent a strong comeback from a tragic event that New Yorkers experienced. BIG's design isn't iconic at all and its not just my opinion.

I'd be interesting to make a poll for New Yorkers to choose on which building They'd like to rise, i am 100% certain its the Fosters.
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Yes it is your opinion. And even if it were everybody's opinion (which it isn't) then it would still be an opinion. And it wouldn't change a thing because:

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That's actually exactly what they are for.

New York isn't a mausoleum. I'd argue it's less respectful to the 9/11 dead to treat whatever gets rebuilt with such unobtainable reverence that decades later there's still nothing on the site but a hole in the ground.

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Firstly, ask any New Yorker on the street on September 10th 2001 what they think of the WTC and they'd say it was an ugly eyesore and the worst thing about the city. It became iconic because of its central part in a tragedy. And it was respected for its unwavering pragmatism. Not because of its world-beating design.

Secondly, there's nothing more in-keeping with the spirit of the city than new WTC buildings being just as ugly and just as functional as the old ones. An 'ugly box' describes perfectly what the old site represented. If anything, the stylish diamond-crested design by Foster is worlds apart from the tone of the original twins, and not a fitting replacement.

Which is to say nothing of the hypocrisy of suggesting a building that appears to 'topple' is an unacceptable reminder of tragedy, but one that looks like the top half was sheared off is somehow ok. I don't want to delve into the specifics of the WTC collapse but they didn't fall over like tree trunks. That argument is bunk.

Bottom line is this: the empty plot currently there is more of an insult to the dead than another ugly building rising in Manhattan. Every building in Manhattan is ugly. If you want sleek and stylish then go to London or Paris or some other city that has less important things to worry about. New York hasn't got time for that. It's carrying the world's economy on its shoulders. Pragmatism rules, and if some company wants X amount of floorspace for Y amount of dollars, then I say let them have it. We'll grow to love whatever rises on that spot, in time. And if we don't, then hating it with a daily dose of annoyance and regret brings us closer to the people we lost than any fountain or world-class skyscraper design ever could.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 09:24 PM   #6368
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Wtf is this entire drivel of a post
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Old December 29th, 2017, 03:54 AM   #6369
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this is my favorite angle. I hate the view from Brooklyn because of how much it obscures Tower 1. The Foster design would have done the same, but a comparison would be enlightening as to how much considering the top of Foster's tapers.



this is the only rendering I know of

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Old December 29th, 2017, 04:00 AM   #6370
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Wow! 3 WTC was REALLY butchered!

It looks great there.
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Wow! 3 WTC was REALLY butchered!

It looks great there.
1240' down to 1070'
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Old December 29th, 2017, 06:09 AM   #6372
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They spent the most money of all time to have to make budget cuts and ruin the towers/site. What kind of sense does that make? The 1wtc spire, the 3 wtc cross bracing and spires, 2 wtc is completely ruined. 2 wtc was one of the nicest designs ever created, now it’s trash. Good job guys! How do you spend that much money while half assing the entire site? If your spending billions get it right for Christ sake this isn’t just some random site...
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Old December 29th, 2017, 07:18 AM   #6373
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Yeah going by some of the renderings, the ones with more exoskeleton and the four spires, 3 WTC was supposed to be the best of the new towers.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 08:06 AM   #6374
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BIG is a good little Twin Tower!!! Forster Design is 0% a twin tower!!!!! I hate the old design!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The twins are gone forever. Get over it.

We wouldn't want that train wreck even in Baltimore, where it would be 3 times higher than anything else...
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Old December 29th, 2017, 09:10 AM   #6375
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Bottom line is this: the empty plot currently there is more of an insult to the dead than another ugly building rising in Manhattan. Every building in Manhattan is ugly. If you want sleek and stylish then go to London or Paris or some other city that has less important things to worry about. New York hasn't got time for that. It's carrying the world's economy on its shoulders. Pragmatism rules, and if some company wants X amount of floorspace for Y amount of dollars, then I say let them have it. We'll grow to love whatever rises on that spot, in time. And if we don't, then hating it with a daily dose of annoyance and regret brings us closer to the people we lost than any fountain or world-class skyscraper design ever could.
Paris maybe, but you're an idiot if you don't think London doesn't have any importance in the world economy, or its own share of half-assed skyscraper proposals.

The bottom line is Foster's 2WTC is superior in all aspects, from how it adheres to the WTC complex master plan with other towers, and its aesthetics. BIG's 2WTC is a careless change made from haste to accommodate a tenant in a deal that went sour, so it's logical to reconsider the former.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 01:24 PM   #6376
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Does anyone really know the details of the work required for the BIG tower? I mean, would a simple addition of underground support columns be all that is needed, or would everything have to be removed all the way down? What about the now interconnected mechanicals that we can see functioning at street level today on top of the 2WTC stub. These obviously are needed for the transportation hub and would need a bypass plan.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 02:06 PM   #6377
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http://wtc.com/office-space/2-world-trade-center
On the website there are floorplans where you can see that the lobby will incorporate the foundation of the Foster design. I'm assuming some things will be removed but not everything, in order to save money.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 04:17 PM   #6378
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Does anyone really know the details of the work required for the BIG tower? I mean, would a simple addition of underground support columns be all that is needed, or would everything have to be removed all the way down? What about the now interconnected mechanicals that we can see functioning at street level today on top of the 2WTC stub. These obviously are needed for the transportation hub and would need a bypass plan.
This was posted here around the time FOX News backed out of the deal in January 2016 but it was never officially confirmed. Timing does seem suspicious though...
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And I was talking to my friend who works at the World Trade Center, he gave me some information on 2 World Trade Center I copied and pasted all of his replies to what I said but did not copy my replies here's what he said: Yo i got some 2wtc news.. good and bad.. so which one u want first?Ok before I tell u.. this info came directly from the lead foreman. . No rumor or speculation. Got it? Ok so 2 wtc has had some major structural design changes agian.. nobody on the outside knows yet. Well the foundation is getting demolished and redone. Yea down into the basements. Because of core design changes. There's a weird setback in the upper floors that needs foundation changes. Also new column placments are needed for building weight support.. but we knew that already. The bad..Its gonna be another year of foundation work before any core or steel rise. All this news hurt man.. i was anxious for this to rise.. and now another year has to go by before any real progress is done. 3 wtc will be fully topped out before 2 gets off the ground.
The original plan was to incorporate Foster's foundation into BIG's design but now it's anyone's guess as to how much foundation work is really needed here.
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Old December 31st, 2017, 01:27 AM   #6379
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it is a pity that they have ruled out the design of foster for wtc 2 and eliminated the pinnacles of wtc 3, in addition to wtc 4 already is very common, the only one that stands out is WTC 1, now the complex is see very square comparing it to how it would be before



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Old December 31st, 2017, 02:44 AM   #6380
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The concepts always look better.
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