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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #1461
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Old September 29th, 2011, 08:02 PM   #1462
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I just hope that it will be impossible for cars to go below the buildings. Car bombs are a very real threat. I really hope they won't underestimate it.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 08:28 PM   #1463
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I'm pretty sure this complex was built with more attacks in mind than you could even imagine. Zen once told me that there were security features so secret that they were detailed in their own special set of prints.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #1464
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I just hope that it will be impossible for cars to go below the buildings. Car bombs are a very real threat. I really hope they won't underestimate it.
I wouldn't worry because I'm sure that's the first thing they thought of, especially considering that was the nature of the first attack. That's also one of the original reasons the first 20 floors were built as a rather formidable-looking bunker.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 09:53 PM   #1465
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I always wondered why they didn't make such concrete bunker bases for the other towers too. All of the WTC towers need to be as safe as possible in my opinion.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 10:33 PM   #1466
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Kanto you should of watched rising, rebuilding ground zero. No vehicle will be able to get even close to the towers without going through tough chemical and physical checks in the new vehicle security building which is also heavily re-enforced.

Please don't show you worry about terrorism, it is a big threat but if we keep on acting as if we are scared, that in a way is success for the terrorists. We have learnt a lot since that dark day in hope that we never see anything like that again. nothing will be done or built if we carry on thinking in fear.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #1467
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I think we should always think for the worst. Chemical and physical checks are good but there should be a backup security measure if for some reason they would fail. I think they should have made it impossible for cars to get below the buildings.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #1468
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That would prove impractical for deliveries and more importantly emergency services!
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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:02 PM   #1469
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That's true, though it would prove safer and safety is in my opinion more important than deliveries and emergency services.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:12 PM   #1470
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That's true, though it would prove safer and safety is in my opinion more important than deliveries and emergency services.
Without delivery services these buildings would not be practical. Offices rely on all sorts of delivery services (mail, food, supplies). Without that, the buildings are useless. No system is infalliable, especially when human beings are involved. No one is perfect.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:22 PM   #1471
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The loading ramps could be next to the building (in the underground) and the crates and boxes could be carried into the building itself by an escalator similar to those used in factory assembly lines (that is, if that's still called an escalator). This way there would be two checks. The check of the vehicle at the security center and the check of the cargo in the loading ramps
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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:24 PM   #1472
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There's more to it then you think Kanto....
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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #1473
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That's true, though it would prove safer and safety is in my opinion more important than deliveries and emergency services.
Agreed with the statement below there has to be a line between practicality and safety.
And how can you say anything is more important then emergency services?
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Old September 29th, 2011, 11:31 PM   #1474
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Structural integrity is far more important than emergency services. Countless lives could have been saved in 9/11 if the Twins didn't collapse.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 12:21 AM   #1475
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The loading ramps could be next to the building (in the underground) and the crates and boxes could be carried into the building itself by an escalator similar to those used in factory assembly lines (that is, if that's still called an escalator). This way there would be two checks. The check of the vehicle at the security center and the check of the cargo in the loading ramps
That would be practical for a small three or four story office building. But not supertalls like the ones the WTC has. Also were forgetting all the retail stores the site will have as well. Hundreds of vechicles will be delivering goods every week to the WTC. What your talking about is completely totally utterly impractical.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 01:17 AM   #1476
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It's true that it's very impractical for the retail areas. I think they shouldn't have made retail areas directly under the buildings.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 01:18 AM   #1477
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Looks like the B2 level is about to be done and they will move on to the B1 level.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 01:24 AM   #1478
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Looks like the B2 level is about to be done and they will move on to the B1 level.
Already workin' on it..Soon to be done..
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Old September 30th, 2011, 03:42 AM   #1479
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Structural integrity is far more important than emergency services. Countless lives could have been saved in 9/11 if the Twins didn't collapse.
Not quite. A far more common threat are the thousands of desk workers in these towers and all over the country who all too often these days have medical problems that lead to complications like dyspnea, cardiac infarctions, diabetic emergencies, etc. Given that there will likely be upwards of 40,000 people doing business in this complex on a given day, early access will be key in saving lives on a consistent basis.

Also consider the benefit of having multiple access points in the worst-case scenario event like a repeat of the '93 bombing.
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Old October 1st, 2011, 05:49 AM   #1480
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is 2 WTC still just at street level or have they gone to over ground construction?
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