#EP | Complete & Approved | Symphony City [76m, 100m, 70m | Resi]

[Sanj]

Originally Posted by docker

well perhaps the terrace road tower will be the cheaper tower which fits more people on and is lower grade (hence the smaller roof clearances and more apartments per floor) and the Adelaide Tce tower will be the more high status building and considering the residents would pay more for their apartments the roof clearance would be much greater.

no chance. terrace road would have better views and is on a quieter st. i would bet my left nut that that there is no way the terrace road building would be a budget/affordable one. if u look at finbar, their most expensive towers are all on terrace road. westralian, reflections, even altair which is a bit more budget but still more expensive than the standard finbar product.

[docker]

which is why i so doubt what i said, and it is more a hope than a prediction. but what else would explain why it is so short... and can give faith of the taller tower to be big.

[Sanj]

i have no answer to that. i know someone in finbar, ill see if i can get in touch.

[samboy]

TBH I really can't see any 'affordable' apts being built in the CBD anytime soon. I think we need to shit our focus from hoping for cheap units to trying to get rich.

[docker]

Originally Posted by samboy

TBH I really can't see any 'affordable' apts being built in the CBD anytime soon. I think we need to shit our focus from hoping for cheap units to trying to get rich.

what about this one?

[samboy]

We'll see if it's more than a marketing campaign or not (I'm just viewing within the context of other famous words like 'iconic', 'world class' etc). Proof in the pud though

[ryan79]

Originally Posted by samboy

TBH I really can't see any 'affordable' apts being built in the CBD anytime soon. I think we need to shit our focus from hoping for cheap units to trying to get rich.

Yeah shit that focus.

[Blindfold]

Aaaah ha ha ha ha haa *cough* *Cough*

[docker]

well the shorter tower on Terrace Road has been cut in half and made into two towers but they will be slightly shorter than before... and the taller tower on Adelaide Tce has been shrunken by the height of its carpark which is now underground... but still awaiting height

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1369.pdf

DA76/09 187 – 193 (LOT 123) ADELAIDE TERRACE (ABC SITE), EAST PERTH – REVISED DESIGN PROPOSAL TO SUPPORT A SCHEME AMENDMENT REQUEST

BACKGROUND:
SUBURB/LOCATION: 187-193 Adelaide Terrace and 82-94 Terrace Road (former ABC site)
DA/BA REFERENCE: P1018828-2
REPORTING OFFICER: Dewald Gericke
RESPONSIBLE DIRECTOR: Peter Monks, Director Planning and Development
DATE: 2 July 2009
MAP / SCHEDULE: Map for 187-193 Adelaide Terrace, East Perth

LANDOWNER: Ventrade Australia
APPLICANT: SS Chang Architects
ZONING: (MRS Zone) Central City Area (City Planning Scheme Precinct) Adelaide Precinct (P13) (City Planning Scheme Use Area) Residential R 160 (southern section) and Office Residential (northern section)
APPROXIMATE COST: N/A

The scheme amendment request is for a special control area for the site in order to distribute the plot ratio and parking provisions of the Scheme over the whole site. The design proposal serves to show a possible development proposal.

The application was presented to the Design Advisory Committee at its meeting held on 16 April 2009. The Committee advised that it did not support the proposed Scheme Amendment on the basis that:-

“the proposal would give rise to the potential for excessive building height and scale in the context of the Terrace Road Design Guidelines, and significant overshadowing of Langley Park as indicated by the concept plans that include a 38 level residential tower containing 258 multiple dwellings on the southern portion of the site.”

A modified design proposal was presented to the Design Advisory Committee at its meeting held on 18 June 2009. The Committee advised that it:-

“1. acknowledges that the revised relative building height of the two towers is an improvement on the original proposal presented to the Committee at its meeting held on 16 April 2009, however, the proposed building height, scale and bulk of the southern tower is still considered to be excessive in the context of the Terrace Road Design Guidelines and adjacent development;

2. requests further details regarding the provision of on-site car parking, with particular emphasis on the design solutions for the multi-level car parking at the base of the northern tower, addressing the potential visual and amenity impacts on the surrounding developments (existing and proposed), the heritage buildings on-site and on public vistas;

3. requests details of how the new development will relate to and be integrated with the heritage listed buildings that are to be retained on-site, including details of the proposed uses for the heritage buildings;

4. acknowledges that the proposal is a preliminary exercise in building scale and massing, however, considers that a more definitive development scheme is required, together with details of the development standards and design controls for the proposed Special Control Area, to provide greater certainty as to the future built outcomes for the site, prior to a determination being made in regard to the proposed scheme amendment.”

The applicant has modified the design concept again by replacing the above ground car park to the northern tower with a basement car park, and reducing the building height of the southern tower and splitting it into two towers to address the concerns of bulk and scale raised by the Committee and the Administration.

A verbal presentation utilising the City Model to illustrate the impact of bulk, scale, height and overshadowing of the proposal within was given to the Design Advisory Committee in regard to the modified proposal and request for a scheme amendment.

It was therefore recommended that the Design Advisory Committee considers a revised design proposal for three residential towers and the refurbishment of existing heritage buildings on Adelaide Terrace to support a scheme amendment request at 187 – 193 (Lot 123) Adelaide Terrace, East Perth.

Moved by the Chief Executive Officer, seconded by Mr Ednie-Brown

That the Design Advisory Committee, having considered the revised
design proposal for the former ABC site, incorporating one residential
tower on Adelaide Terrace with a basement car park, two residential
towers on Terrace Road and the refurbishment of the existing heritage
buildings on Adelaide Terrace, notes the significant improvement from
the previous proposal by addressing the issues raised by the Design
Advisory Committee and is prepared to support the proposed scheme
amendment at 187 – 193 (Lot 123) Adelaide Terrace, East Perth, subject
to the western tower proposed on Terrace Road being reduced by one
level ensuring the bookends provided by the Burt Way development is
not affected.


The motion was put and carried

[perthgazer]

The Development Reduction Committee is a joke

[Bullswool]

I mean seriously, what benefits are gained from reducing a towers height? No one notices them either way. How many of the general public actually notice towers, unless they are ridiculously big? Gah it pisses me off -__-

[Direwolf]

There are a few things I think they have in mind.

1) excessive height (they may feel that the height is out of context for terrace road and taller building should only be on adelaide terrace (step up effect)

2) Shadowing of foreshore - If you walk past this area in Langley park (esp near winter solstice - 21 June ) you can see how much Reflections and the old ABC transmission tower show the area. That is influenced by bulk (as they mention) and setback. Reflections shadow much shorter as it is set further back than the transmission tower even though they are of similar height.

I don't personally agree that either are a major problem unless the terrace road towers are over 100m as shadowing to the south is only a problem for a couple of months in winter.

[NailZ]

Originally Posted by docker

...

A verbal presentation utilising the City Model to illustrate the impact of bulk, scale, height and overshadowing of the proposal within was given to the Design Advisory Committee in regard to the modified proposal and request for a scheme amendment.

Interesting, is the "City Model" available to the public? I remember the CoP tendering for creating and maintaining a 3d model of the CBD, but I never heard anymore about it.

If anyone knows more details - let me know.

[Scraperfan]

I would pay $100 an hour to view it if it had upcoming proposals in there.

[aaronaugi1]

Originally Posted by perthgazer

The Development Reduction Committee is a joke

why not nominate for the committee then PG? They're taking applications for new members. I am sure you got the email...? Are you a PIA member?

[perthgazer]

nah i'm not. im quite sure you would have to have a degree and X years of experience as a minimum for consideration.

[aaronaugi1]

Originally Posted by perthgazer

nah i'm not. im quite sure you would have to have a degree and X years of experience as a minimum for consideration.

You would assume so... though they did send it to student members too, so I am not too sure. I hope opening the position to PIA members and other planning/design bodies will help draw in some more qualified, open minds.

Hit up work to pay your membership while your a student too

[Dilaz89]

44,000 sqm worth of commercial and residential development over 6 years. Scheme amendment currently underway.

[tbor]

44,000 you say. Thats massive :O I suppose it is a huge site. Who's your source?

[PD]

Wow, where id you get the pick, looks like a bad quality render.

Hopefully those vertical, glass panels will be coloured and not clear so then it will compliment fairlanes (assuming fairlanes comes out anything like its render).

Anyone know if this will have any ground level activation?