NZ | Population Statistics Thread

[NZer]

I bet a lot of people said they would leave just to create a sense of drama and have a bitch.
Christchurch will bounce back and 55,000 will not leave.

[KaneD]

Originally Posted by Paulsy

Comments are open on the Press version. Usual bunch of people pushing Gold Coast and Melbourne hard. Why do they bother to come back and post?

Awesome... watch out for my post on there shortly... oh hang on... comments are moderated by stuff and I'm sure the colorfulness of my language and tone will be guaranteed to ensure that no-one gets to see the comment.

Just a tad irritating that the Press couldn't see just how almost statistically impossible the results of their survey showed... even when the figures recorded to date were acknowledged in the next sentence. Seriously the article is just so flawed that it might as well be made up shit.

[natfat madd fucker]

An Article i found on google News

A former New Zealand foreign minister says the country's migration system is so bad the country will wind up with a large proportion of its people living overseas, like some Pacific Island countries.










One million Kiwis to live in Australia within a decade (Credit: ABC)
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New Zealand First Party leader Winston Peters says on current trend there will be a million New Zealanders living in Australia within a decade.

New Zealand's total population is just over four million.

Mr Peters tells Bruce Hill the country needs to rethink it's entire policy on migration.

Presenter: Bruce Hill

Speaker:New Zealand First Party leader Winston Peters

PETERS: The main problem with our immigration policy is that it's unfocused, unplanned, it's haphazard and it's based on numbers to keep up the consumer demand rather than any strategic economic and social plan to enhance our country's economic and export capacity. And wealth creation in terms of emigration from New Zealand thereafter, those people are leaving because we have failed to maintain our lead in the OECD, where we were once at the very top, now we're on the slide and serious economic experimentation and mismanagement of the economy, sees Australia growing at the end of March, well beyond four per cent per annum. We barely made over one, and instead of owning up to their failure, they have looked around for victims and explanations and excuses and hence we've got this controversy in this country.

HILL: There's been some concern expressed across the Tasman in Australia that some people are actually moving from overseas to New Zealand not to move to New Zealand, but to use it as a stepping stone to get into Australia. And of course as regards the Pacific, Cook Islanders, Tokelauans and Niueans as New Zealand citizens get automatic right of entry to Australia. And there's some evidence that they're going straight to Australia rather than staying in New Zealand. Do you see that as a problem?

PETERS: Well those last three countries you mentioned that would be a minuscule number in the full proportion of what's coming to Australia. And being New Zealand citizens we would wish because of our responsibilities which we've had for decades in respect of those three nations; Tokelau, Niue and the Cook Islands, to maintain our relationship with them, it's important for Pacific security as well. But that said I made speeches a long time ago, in fact in the early 90s saying that this country was being used as a bolt hole to obtain the requisite legal requirements to then move straight to Australia.

HILL: At the moment there are more than half a million New Zealanders in Australia, I think the last figures we have is that 53-thousand New Zealanders moved permanently from New Zealand to Australia in the last 12 months. What are the implications of that kind of skills drain away from New Zealand to Australia?

PETERS: Well it's very good for Australia. What we're doing is being an ANZAC neighbour, we're doing all the invest and all the training of our young persons from the

day they're born, all the pre-natal care, all the post-natal care, primary, secondary school, tertiary education, all the skills, and having made that huge investment we don't get any return, they're straight off to Australia where the Australian economy benefits. And so we're sending some pretty good people there because after all the New Zealanders in Australia are the second highest income earners, the highest immigrant income group of any other population. We're not sending you the worst, we're sending you the best we've got, and we're replacing them to try and keep consumer demand up, another fallacious economic plan, with people who have got no equivalence of skills or familiarity or understanding of the culture, the laws or our country's economy. We're the losers in this and big time.

HILL: If the situation continues, if more New Zealanders continue to migrate across the Tasman, could New Zealand wind up in a perhaps not dissimilar position to some Pacific Islands with as many people living overseas as lived back in the country?

PETERS: Well not wind up, we're already getting there now. Within ten years there will be a million New Zealanders, trained, skilled and prepared here, we'll have a million New Zealanders living in Australia. Now that's a disaster for our economy, it's good for Australia's economy, and no one likes to talk bad of their country, but frankly although it may not be appreciated by all of you, but the Minister for Employment in New Zealand is a person called Julia Gillard. Well she's provided more work for New Zealanders in the last year than we have in our own economy for people looking for jobs. That's not a good outcome.

[Richard7666]

Melbourne fine, but the Gold Coast?
I have never been to the Gold Coast, but it looks like a slimy shit wrapped in gold foil. How could anyone make a life in a place like that?

[Dimethyltryptamine]

Originally Posted by Richard7666

Melbourne fine, but the Gold Coast?
I have never been to the Gold Coast, but it looks like a slimy shit wrapped in gold foil. How could anyone make a life in a place like that?

No way, really?

[jarden]

Richard, There is a million places on this planet worse to live than the Gold Coast. Have you ever been to the third world they are far far worse, its quite a nice place to live actually.

[deepred]

Whod'a thought?

Oz political party says 'no more NZers'

An Australian political party is calling for a halt to the unlimited migration of New Zealanders to Australia as the country's population continues to grow.

The recently-formed Stable Population Party says the deal allowing Kiwis free access to Australia should be abolished, the Herald Sun reported.

"You can still have a close relationship with New Zealand without having a completely open-slather policy on immigration," said the party's Victoria Senate candidate Clifford Hayes.

He said more than 50,000 New Zealanders moved to Australia during the past year.

The party says New Zealanders should have to apply to migrate, with total net immigration to Australia reduced from 180,000 to 80,000.

The call comes as the latest Bureau of Statistics data reveals that the countries population grew 1.4 per cent in 2011.

The population of Victoria grew at the most rapid rate, an increase of more than 75,000 people during the year to about 5.6 million.

It was boosted by soaring immigration, more babies and a net increase in people moving there from other states, the Herald Sun reported.

[Indictable]

Originally Posted by Richard7666

Melbourne fine, but the Gold Coast?
I have never been to the Gold Coast, but it looks like a slimy shit wrapped in gold foil. How could anyone make a life in a place like that?

Just the way I like my cities - slimy shit wrapped in gold foil. Obviously you need to visit before you make judgements.

[Londonlad]

HILL: If the situation continues, if more New Zealanders continue to migrate across the Tasman, could New Zealand wind up in a perhaps not dissimilar position to some Pacific Islands with as many people living overseas as lived back in the country?

PETERS: Well not wind up, we're already getting there now. Within ten years there will be a million New Zealanders, trained, skilled and prepared here, we'll have a million New Zealanders living in Australia. Now that's a disaster for our economy, it's good for Australia's economy, and no one likes to talk bad of their country, but frankly although it may not be appreciated by all of you, but the Minister for Employment in New Zealand is a person called Julia Gillard. Well she's provided more work for New Zealanders in the last year than we have in our own economy for people looking for jobs. That's not a good outcome.[/QUOTE]

That's all very well for Peters to say that but what are his plans to turn New Zealand's economy around from being a small isolated second world country to a modern prosperous first world nation t needed to attract expat kiwis back.If his argument is "its all about the money"it will be hard considering we dont particularly have an ambitious productive capitalistic streak and some would say we appear to be held back by uncapitalistic lefty groups such as socialists,greenies,Maoris and old people who arnt particularly interested.

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by Londonlad

That's all very well for Peters to say that but what are his plans to turn New Zealand's economy around from being a small isolated second world country to a modern prosperous first world nation t needed to attract expat kiwis back.If his argument is "its all about the money"it will be hard considering we dont particularly have an ambitious productive capitalistic streak and some would say we appear to be held back by uncapitalistic lefty groups such as socialists,greenies,Maoris and old people who arnt particularly interested.

Well, actually, I would argue that the country isn't being "held back" by these groups at all given that the National Party has been at the helm with a clear majority and full support from the very "capitalistic" ACT party amongst others.

[Londonlad]

[QUOTE=Svartmetall;92583181]Well, actually, I would argue that the country isn't being "held back" by these groups at all given that the National Party has been at the helm with a clear majority and full support from the very "capitalistic" ACT party amongst others.

Really?So a labour led coalition of lefty groups have the skills and ambition needed to lift productivity.Granted National has been ineffective too(surprising really considering some of their credentials).Its obvious both parties are useless and out of frustration you are almost driven to implementing some other style of economic management to cope with these recessionary times.We've heard all the excuses and times running out not only for New Zealand but the world.(This should be in the economic /politics forum)

[KaneD]

WTF... Fairfax is turning it's back on Australia...

With the recent announcement of mass job losses for fairfax's Australian operations (with little or no losses in NZ), they publish this article below which shows at least some balance in the whole "Aussies earn 30% more" harp...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7156...g-in-Australia

[UglyBob]

Originally Posted by KaneD

WTF... Fairfax is turning it's back on Australia...

With the recent announcement of mass job losses for fairfax's Australian operations (with little or no losses in NZ), they publish this article below which shows at least some balance in the whole "Aussies earn 30% more" harp...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7156...g-in-Australia

Fairfax is shifting some work to NZ as we are a lower wage economy...

[SYDNEY]

I would hardly classify NZ as "second World" ... we are classified as a very highly developed Country (5th most developed) ... "The Human Development Index (HDI) is a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living, and quality of life for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. It is used to distinguish whether the country is a developed, a developing or an under-developed country, and also to measure the impact of economic policies on quality of life"

I discovered this and it is very interesting, I realise that it is difficult to make any future projections but nonetheless it is very interesting. We also like to think the worst of NZ but it would appear that the UN has a far rosier outlook for us. In 2010 we ranked around #17-20 and by 2030 they have us at #7. It will be interesting to see how this turns out

[SYDNEY]

Originally Posted by UglyBob

Fairfax is shifting some work to NZ as we are a lower wage economy...

Nonetheless good for us and not so good for Australia, this is just one of many Australian Companies that have transferred jobs from Australia to NZ in recent months. It can't be healthy for relations between the two Countries or is it ?

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

I discovered this and it is very interesting, I realise that it is difficult to make any future projections but nonetheless it is very interesting. We also like to think the worst of NZ but it would appear that the UN has a far rosier outlook for us. In 2010 we ranked around #17-20 and by 2030 they have us at #7. It will be interesting to see how this turns out

Their projections for 2010 were already wrong as they listed NZ as 5th in the world for 2011 with Norway 1st and Australia 2nd. If their extrapolations for 2010 were wrong, I can imagine their extrapolations for 2030 are dead wrong too.

Still, NZ is officially for 2011, 5th by HDI. Something tells me they'll regret forecasting Spain as 4th and Greece as 13th in 2030.

[natfat madd fucker]

Originally Posted by SYDNEY

Nonetheless good for us and not so good for Australia, this is just one of many Australian Companies that have transferred jobs from Australia to NZ in recent months. It can't be healthy for relations between the two Countries or is it ?

I love on the South coast of Nsw near the Illawarra region and i've been hearing that one of the mining places and also the Illawarra mercury in Wollongong are moving to NZ :/ i kinda think its a good thing though because it will create more jobs over there and might bring some NZ'ers back.

[SYDNEY]

I like the fact that they have proven that there isn't a brain drain as the NZ Herald would like for us to believe ...

No baby boom and fewer sheep: Myths busted

If you thought New Zealand was in the middle of a baby boom, think again. Perhaps you've heard that almost half of all New Zealanders will soon be non-European. You'd be wrong. Or perhaps you still believe the one about New Zealand having 20 sheep for every human. Wrong again. Statistics NZ demographers have analysed 17 common "myths" about the population and found 12 are false. Only one is completely true - that more women are remaining childless. The other four can be summed up as "maybe", "not quite", "partly true" and "it depends". Senior demographer Kim Dunstan said the agency drew up the list of "population myth-busters" after seeing all in the media at various times. "We are on the lookout for ways to promote population as part of our role in terms of promoting the use and understanding of statistics," he said.

The term "mini-baby-boom" has been widely used since the number of births jumped from 54,000 in 2002 to 64,300 in 2008, the highest for 37 years. But the agency says the average number of children each woman will have in her lifetime rose only marginally, from 1.9 in 2002 to 2.2 in 2008, and has since dropped to 2.04. "In 1961, the birth rate was around 4.3 births per woman," it says. "If the 1961 birth rates applied today we would have had around 112,000 births in 2011. In fact we had only 61,400. With the current birth rate only just reaching replacement level (2.1), we cannot justify the claim that New Zealand is having a baby boom." The myth-busters say the idea that almost half the population will soon be non-European stems from ethnic projections that count people with mixed ethnicity more than once, under multiple ethnicities.

Official projections show the number of Asians will jump from 10 per cent of the population at the 2006 census to 16 per cent by 2026, when they will equal the number of Maori. The number of Pacific people will grow from 7 per cent to 10 per cent. Add those three together for 2026 and it totals 42 per cent - giving the almost half "non-European" figure. But the same projections also show that 70 per cent of the population in 2026 will be European, down from 77 per cent in 2006 but still dominant. The explanation is that 12 per cent will be of mixed ethnicities. The latest birth figures suggest that ethnic mixing is increasing - 15,831 (26 per cent) of the 60,860 babies born in the year to March this year had more than one ethnicity. Only 5249 (31 per cent) of the 17,207 babies with Maori ethnicity were solely Maori, 50 per cent of Pacific babies were solely Pacific, 68 per cent of European babies were solely European; and 72 per cent of Asian babies were solely Asian.

Other babies had every possible ethnic combination, including 105 who belong to all four main ethnic groups. Statistics NZ says it was true that New Zealand had roughly 20 sheep for every person in New Zealand in 1982 - when the country had 70.3 million sheep and 3.2 million people. But sheep numbers have plunged to 31.1 million, while humans have increased to 4.4 million. That means we now have only seven sheep for each one of us. But the analysts say it may be true that about one million New Zealanders live overseas - if overseas-born children and non-NZ-born NZ citizens are included. They discovered the idea of a "seven-year itch" in marriages is more like a four-year itch based on the peak divorce rates. And they say it is only "partly true" that many expatriate New Zealanders came home after the 9/11 New York terror bombing, and the question of whether Christchurch overtook Wellington's population before last year's earthquake depends on how you define the two cities.

FACT OR FICTION?

NZ has 3m people and 60m sheep: FICTION
Sheep numbers peaked at 70.3m in 1982, when we had 3.2m people. But we now have only 31.1m sheep and 4.4m people.

More women are remaining childless: FACT
The proportion of women aged 45 to 49 years who were childless has risen from 9 per cent in 1981 to 13 per cent in 2006.

NZ is in the middle of a baby boom: FICTION
The average number of children each woman can expect in her lifetime fell from 4.3 in 1961 to less than 2 around the year 2000. It rose slightly to 2.18 in 2008 but by March this year it is 2.04.

NZ women have their first child at age 30: FICTION
The median age for women giving birth last year was 30, but the median age for having a first child was around 28.

Almost half of all Kiwis will soon be non-European: FICTION
By 2026, 16 per cent will be Maori, 16 per cent Asian and 10 per cent Pacific - but 70 per cent will still be European or be mixed race.

The average woman lives six years longer than the average man: FICTION
While true in the 1980s, the gap has closed to 3.7 years. On current death rates, a baby boy born today can expect to live 79.1 years and a baby girl 82.8 years.

Half of all marriages end in divorce: FICTION
There are roughly 20,000 marriages and 10,000 divorces every year, but only 35 per cent of couples who married in 1986 divorced before their 25th anniversaries in 2011.

Couples tend to divorce after seven years: FICTION
The peak divorce rate is only four years after marriage and divorce becomes steadily less likely with every year after that.

There's a brain drain: FICTION
On average over the past 15 years we've lost 300 labourers a year, and net losses of most other unskilled groups, but we've gained 1570 professionals a year because of our skills-based immigration policy.

NZ's population is drifting north: FICTION
A net inflow to Auckland up to 1996 has reversed. Since 2001 there has been a net outflow of people from Auckland to the rest of the country, although Auckland still gains more from overseas.

At least 1m Kiwis live overseas: Maybe.
There are 483,000 NZ-born people in Australia, about 58,000 NZ-born in Britain and 73,000 in the rest of the world, a total of 614,000. But you could easily get to around 1m if you count New Zealanders' children and NZ citizens who were not NZ-born.

[KiwiGuy]

A net inflow to Auckland up to 1996 has reversed. Since 2001 there has been a net outflow of people from Auckland to the rest of the country, although Auckland still gains more from overseas.

This I can believe. You only have to look at population statistics from other population centers elsewhere in the country to see this.

[GI_Joint]

Yep, migrants do mainly pick Aucks.