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Old April 27th, 2008, 09:59 AM   #101
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Gautrain is more of a suburban rail line than a local metro subway isn't it?
Yes, hence my post above.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 03:30 PM   #102
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It is a bit of a fallacy to post that it is an 80km long metro. It's 80km long and has 10 stations on it - this isn't technically a metro as the station spacing is far too wide. It's a rapid rail link, yes, but it's not a metro. There are numerous examples of similar routes around the world, take the airport shuttle between FFM and its airport in Germany - 12km away and takes 12 minutes by ICE - an average speed of 100km/h.

The frequency of trains is impressive though. According to the website the minimum frequency will be 6 trains per hour to Pretoria from Park Station which is good.

But again, as I've said before. This is a project for the rich as it only runs through affluent areas of the city and before the next poster decides to tell me that the South at least has metrorail, I already know this, but the service is shonky and most Saffers will admit that. I'm glad that JHB is finally investing in PT and I'm excited to see the project complete all the same.
Yes, the spacing is much wider than many cities, but this is largely due to the very low density of the suburbs it is operating through. If most houses are on 1/3 - 1/2 acre (and many will continue to use freeways after this starts operation) there is little point in having stations at central Paris/London like intervals. Between Joburg and Pretoria the rich suburbs only have like 1-1.5m people living within reasonable range of stations. And this gap would comfortably hold the whole of Paris or London built-up areas with miles to spare. I guess it makes more sense to call it a suburban railway line if you like. Not quite sure what the boundary is!

Yes this runs through rich areas because part of its brief is to take load off the freeways system. The freeways system is largely used by the richer areas ergo its location.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #103
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[QUOTE=Andrew;19695350]What does that say about the intelligence of most American cities then?
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You realize that up until WWII, 90% of travel in the US was done by public transit. Virtually every single town/city with at least 10,000 people had tram lines and streetcars moving people around the cities. They were dismantled though and switched to buses in the 1950's, and then obviously after that almost all Americans could afford cars, and people began to drive everywhere, tens of thousands of KM of interstates were built.

During 1945, mass transit in the United States carried 23,577,000,000 passengers.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 05:59 AM   #104
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Are there any renderings of the network?
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Old May 1st, 2008, 12:32 PM   #105
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Are there any renderings of the network?
[IMG]http://i29.************/ei3xas.png[/IMG]
Thin red lines = NEW Gautrain
Thick coloured lines = MetroRail
Thin grey lines = Shosholoza Meyl

Something like this?
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Old May 1st, 2008, 01:22 PM   #106
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That's simply amazing, 80km sounds like a very ambitious target for such short term.

Financing is coming primarily from the Federal, State/Province or Municipal budget?
Federal government is funding most of the cost, i believe 90% of it, while private sector partners are funding 10% in what is a public private partnership (PPP) scheme. The total budget was billed at $3.5 billion when financial closure was reached in late 2006.
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Old May 4th, 2008, 01:21 AM   #107
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It amazes me that any city would develop without a subway. Subways and light rail are indictations of the intellegence of the region.
Everything starts from somewhere.
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Old May 4th, 2008, 03:49 AM   #108
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[IMG]http://i29.************/ei3xas.png[/IMG]
Thin red lines = NEW Gautrain
Thick coloured lines = MetroRail
Thin grey lines = Shosholoza Meyl

Something like this?
Thanks, but I wasn't asking for a map. A rendering like what the trains will look like, what the stations will look like, etc.
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Old May 4th, 2008, 04:17 AM   #109
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Here's some renders

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Sandton Station



Rosebank Station






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OR Tambo international airport

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Marlboro Station

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Centurion station

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Rhodesfield station

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Why is the Sandton station that deep? Very deep stations are quite inefficient at moving people, especially when they're three escalator banks down.
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Old May 4th, 2008, 08:12 AM   #116
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Why is the Sandton station that deep? Very deep stations are quite inefficient at moving people, especially when they're three escalator banks down.
I am not familiar with the geological characteristics of the area in Sandton, but i do know that there are several 60 storey buildings planned for construction adjacent to that station and there is about 4000 parking bays planned which i believe will be underground. This may explain the reason why the station is so deep.

I stand to be corrected on this one.

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Old May 4th, 2008, 08:21 AM   #117
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Gautrain Operation / Feeder and Distribution System / Costs
1. The Gautrain will be operated by RATPDéveloppement, the operations arm of Bombela.
2. The Gautrain will run at between 160 – 180 km/h
3. The Gautrain will operate (at a minimum) between 05:30am – 20:30pm
4. The Gautrain will run every 10-30 min based on peak times.
5. There will be 650km of feeder / distribution bus system taking people to areas outside the range of
the stations. For example from Sandton Central to Hyde Park / Rivoina / Fourways / Randburg etc.
6. The bus system will be operated by RATPDéveloppement, the operations arm of Bombela.
7. The buses will be modern, air-conditioned vehicles.
8. The bus timetables and operation times will coincide with those of the Gautrain.
9. The Gautrain system will be designed to allow for the purchase of 1 card to cover the monthly
costs of parking / train trip / bus transport.
10. Gautrain fares as follows (based on 2006 costs):
o Sandton Central to Rosebank = R 10
o Sandton Central to Park Station = R13
o Sandton Central to Pretoria = R20
o Sandton Central to Johannesburg International Airport = R70
o 0-5km bus trip = R2.50
o 5-10km bus trip = R5
o > 10km bus trip = R7.50
o Parking R5 per day
Sandton Central Station
1. The Sandton Central is the biggest destination for international tourists from JIA and thus the
Sandton Central station will be the flagship station of the project.
2. Sandton Central road upgrades are scheduled to begin in May 2006.
3. The Sandton Central station will be 10 storeys or 40m below Rivonia Rd and will house the
platforms and concourse.
4. The Sandton Central station will provide for a 30 year travel demand.
5. Parking at the Sandton Central station will consist of 3 levels below ground with1700 bays for the
Gautrain and 2300 bays for the development around the station.

6. Road closure in Sandton Central will be between West Street and 5th Streets, with Rivonia Rd
being closed to south bound traffic with diversion for this traffic along Katherine Street. North bound
traffic will still flow down Rivoina Rd.
7. Vehicle access to station will be from West Street at the Stella Street intersection.
8. Pedestrian linkages will ensure ease of access into the station.
9. The station itself will accommodate all forms of transport including car hire, meter taxis, mini bus
taxis, metro buses and the Gautrain buses.
10. The Gautrain – Sandton Central site office will be located in the Region 3 building next door to the
Sandton library.
11. Parking and access into the Sandton library and art gallery will be made available around the same
area as it currently exists.
12. The blasting is designed so as not to affect the stability of any properties, however, all structures
around the station site will be inspected and stability checked. This will allow for any damage to be
monitored.
13. Construction trucks will, as far as possible, be transporting soil etc outside business hours.
14. Blasting will, as far as possible, be done during business hours.
Sandton Central taxi rank
1. The Sandton Central taxi rank will be relocated for the duration of the construction and will be
moved slightly to the north-west of the same block, just north of the library on West Street, between
Stella and Maude Streets.
2. The temporary rank will be designed as a permanent structure and will accommodate 107 bays
(designed to take into account taxi recapitalisation), 12 drop off bays as well as bays for washing.
3. The informal traders will be moved off 5th Street and will be accommodated in the temporary rank.
4. Once the Gautrain is completed, the taxi rank will be accommodated within the transport hub of the
Gautrain.

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A clearer picture of the route

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More pictures of the surrounding areas where the stations are

Park station (downtown Joburg)



Sandton Station (financial district)



Rosebank



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Tunneling moving along nicely

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Tunnel Boring Machine (brought from Germany to help with a the water clogged section of the tunnel between Rosebank and Park Station)

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A few days before it left Germany for South Africa




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