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Old February 8th, 2009, 04:02 PM   #161
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Consider that this is actually an intercity line (Pretoria and Jo'berg are separate cities)
Oh, I didn't know one of those stations was in Pretoria. Yes, that thrashes the Gold Coast line into the ground (half-hourly by day, hourly by night).
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Consider that this is actually an intercity line (Pretoria and Jo'berg are separate cities)
Oh, I didn't know one of those stations was in Pretoria. Yes, that thrashes the Gold Coast line into the ground (half-hourly by day, hourly by night).
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Oh, I didn't know one of those stations was in Pretoria. Yes, that thrashes the Gold Coast line into the ground (half-hourly by day, hourly by night).
Well it has to because the M1 between Joburg and Pretoria is the busiest inter city highway in the southern hemisphere! The Gautrain will be successfull because metrorails new business express service between Pretoria and Joburg is constantly fully occupied with M1 commuters and the Gautrain is hundred times better!
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A) SOUTHERN SECTION
1. Underground section

PARK STATION


JOHANNESBURG PARK STATION, VANTAGE POINT, SHAFT AND STATION BOX


PARK STATION, STATION BOX

Excavation of the station box and the adjacent cut and cover section between the station and the portal is complete. The base slab at rail level is substantially complete. Around half of the concourse slab is cast. Construction of columns to the top slab is in progress.

Tunnelling activities at Park Station continued, with the single tunnel excavation towards the north reaching approximately 964 metres by the end of January 2009.

Foundation pile cap construction on the western side of the parkade structure that will be constructed above the station is in progress.

EMERGENCY ACCESS SHAFT E1 (HILLBROW)

The single-track rail tunnel between Park Station and Sandton Station will feature seven emergency access shafts. These shafts will provide emergency services personnel access to the tunnels below. At the bottom of certain of these shafts there will be safe havens where passengers can gather in case of an emergency.


Shaft E1 works have commenced, with construction of the shaft collar at ground level complete. Shaft sinking works will commence shortly.

EMERGENCY ACCESS SHAFT E2 (THE WILDS, HOUGHTON)

At Shaft E2, where excavation of the 236 metre adit is complete, tunnelling from the end of this connecting passage is advancing along the main tunnel route in both southerly and northerly directions. The one tunnel heads south towards Park Station, while the other tunnel heads north towards Rosebank Station. Towards Park Station, excavation has advanced 119 metres and towards the TBM tunnel, excavation has reached 57 metres.


EMERGENCY SHAFT 2



EMERGENCY SHAFT 3

EMERGENCY ACCESS SHAFT E3 (RIVIERA)

Vertical excavation of this shaft is complete to its final depth of 21 metres. Excavation of the two adits (cross passages) linking the bottom of the shaft to the main single-track rail tunnel, which will provide access for emergency services personnel, is also complete and breakthrough of both of these connecting adits to the TBM tunnel was achieved in November 2008. The final shaft lining is currently in progress.

EMERGENCY ACCESS SHAFT E4 (HOUGHTON)

At Shaft E4, final shaft lining is complete and excavation of the connecting adits is in progress. Being a shallow shaft with direct access to the surface, there is no safe haven necessary at the bottom of this shaft.

ROSEBANK STATION

The Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) successfully completed the excavation of the single-track rail tunnel towards Shaft E2 on 31 January 2009, with a cumulative length of tunnel bored of 2 885 metres. Dismantling of the TBM has commenced and will be completed during the next few weeks. The back up system comprising 13 gantry trailers, mechanical and electrical components and support equipment will be recovered and reconditioned for use on other tunnelling projects. Only the 12 metre long outer steel shield at the front end of the machine will remain where it is in the tunnel and this will be covered with a permanent shotcrete lining.
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ROSEBANK STATION, STATION BOX


ROSEBANK STATION, CUT AND COVER, REINFORCED STEEL FOR THE CASTELLATED PERIMETER WALLS

Rosebank Station works have reached a point where casting of the roof slab is underway, approximately two thirds of the concourse slab is cast and, at rail level, platform construction has commenced.

The single-track drill and blast rail tunnel north of Rosebank towards E5, where 724 metres have now been excavated, is nearing completion.

EMERGENCY ACCESS SHAFT E5 (DUNKELD, ROSEBANK)

Tunnelling towards Sandton Station – the only section of tunnel being excavated from this shaft - has progressed to 1 540 metres. An approximately 50 metre long section of the safe haven chamber at the bottom of the shaft has also been completed.

The tunnel has advanced well past the intersection point where the safe haven for Emergency Access Shaft E6 will be excavated.

EMERGENCY ACCESS SHAFT E6 (ILLOVO)

The shaft collar has been cast and was ready for the arrival of the raise borer machine, which will be used to excavate this shaft, by the end of January.

EMERGENCY ACCESS SHAFT E7 (WESTERN SIDE OF RIVONIA ROAD, SANDTON)

Shaft E7 is located on the western side of Rivonia Road, opposite ‘The Inandas’ townhouse complex. Shaft excavation has reached a depth of 58 metres. The final depth of this shaft will be 67 metres. Final shaft lining is in progress.

SANDTON STATION

Construction of Sandton Station’s three level underground parkade is progressing apace, with the multiple parking decks clearly visible from the surrounding buildings. Excavation for the car park is largely complete. Piling, foundations, column construction and casting of the suspended slabs of the parkade structure are ongoing.


SANDTON STATION, AERIAL VIEW


SANDTON STATION, CAVERN AND STATION BOX

The staggered tunnel being excavated from the southern end of the Station towards Rosebank has progressed to 504 metres.

Excavation of the cavern and both north and south shafts is complete and station construction works are in progress in the cavern section between the south and north shafts, as well as within the shafts themselves.

MUSHROOM FARM PARK CONSTRUCTION SHAFT

Tunnel excavations from Mushroom Farm Park are complete, including excavation of the lowered invert of the airport line between MFP and Sandton.

Continuous lengths of tunnel now extend from the south of Sandton Station, through Mushroom Farm Park and all the way to the portal at Marlboro.

Casting of invert slabs, precast walkway installation and construction of the partition wall towards Marlboro are ongoing.

Mushroom Farm Park is a temporary shaft, used to provide access for tunnel construction in a northern and southern direction simultaneously. The community park will be fully reinstated once construction operations are complete during the latter part of 2009.

MARLBORO PORTAL

Excavation of the 4 200 metre long tunnel between Marlboro Portal and Mushroom Farm Park has been completed.



MARLBORO PORTAL TUNNEL TOWARDS MUSHROOM FARM PARK, PARTITIONING WALL

TUNNEL BETWEEN MARLBORO PORTAL AND MUSHROOM FARM PARK, GANTRY CRANE

Inside the Marlboro Portal tunnel, the final lining is being applied to the tunnel walls. Construction of the invert slab to support the railway tracks continued. Installation of the precast concrete walkways, which also serve as service ducts for the numerous services required within the completed tunnel, continued. Construction of the centre wall to separate the two sets of tracks inside the tunnel is ongoing. Construction of the cut & cover structure adjoining the portal is well advanced.


MARLBORO PORTAL, AERIAL VIEW




MARLBORO PORTAL

Construction of the cut & cover structure adjoining the portal is well advanced.

2. Surface alignment


VIADUCTS 1A AND 11 OVER JUKSKEI RIVER AND EAST BANK ROAD

At Viaducts 1a and 11, parapet installation is complete.

Between Marlboro Portal and this pair of viaducts, reinforced earth retaining walls, earthworks, culvert inlets and the cross-over structure are approaching completion.

Construction of the three Zinnia Road bridges is well advanced, with all M-beams in place and deck construction in progress.

VIADUCT1A & 11, AERIAL VIEW


MARLBORO STATION

AT MARLBORO STATION THE CONCOURSE AND OVER-PLATFORM LINK STRUCTURE WORKS ARE ONGOING


THE CONCOURSE AND OVER-PLATFORM LINK STRUCTURE WORKS ARE ONGOING AT MARLBORO STATION

At Marlboro Station, the parkade concrete structure, comprising a semi-basement and first floor parking deck, is complete. The concourse, platform and over-platform link structure works are ongoing and structural steel erection has commenced.


N3 UNDERPASS, AERIAL VIEW

Construction of a series of underpasses, where the two pairs of railway tunnels cross below the N3 highway alongside the Marlboro Road Bridge just to the north of Marlboro Station, continued. Construction works at the N3 crossing should be complete by July 2009.

B) NORTHERN SECTION (Depot to Hatfield Station)

VIADUCT 2 OVER MODDERFONTEIN SPRUIT

Viaduct 2 and the two adjacent bridges over the future Frankenwald and Maxwell Roads are complete, with railway tracks in place across all three of these structures. Erection of noise barriers along this section of the alignment is also complete.


TRAIN AND BUS DEPOT


THE TRAIN BEING TESTED AT THE DEPOT, MIDRAND

TRAIN ON THE TEST TRACK AT THE DEPOT

Construction of the Depot facilities, including both the Bus Depot and the Train Depot administration buildings, is substantially complete. Installation of the Operations Control Centre equipment is in progress in the train depot administration building. This centre will be the heartbeat of Gautrain from where signalling, telecommunications, automatic fare collection, traction power and overhead distribution CCTV cameras and maintenance will be managed using world-class, high technology systems.

DEPOT, GUARD HOUSE
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DEPOT, VEHICLE WASHING BAY

The train maintenance workshops and the other Depot facilities, including the washing bay for cleaning of the trains and a sand-filling facility, are also complete. The trains are equipped with a sand dispensing mechanism, which deposits a special type of sand onto the rails to improve traction between the wheels and the rail when necessary.

At the Train Depot, Gautrain’s 24 train sets will be maintained, serviced cleaned, and securely stabled overnight. The adjacent Bus Depot will perform a similar function for Gautrain’s dedicated fleet of 125 luxury buses.

RAIL YARD

SIGNALING SYSTEM

OVERHEAD ELECTRIFICATION MASTS ON THE TRACK

All trackwork and the stabling sidings within the Depot are complete and operational, with energisation of this area having been affected in early January 2009.

The mainline test track section from north of Viaduct 3 to Viaduct 2 is complete and operational. The civil construction works on ffurther mainline sections adjacent to the Depot are being completed on an incremental basis and tracklaying operations are now in progress from north of Viaduct 3 to West Road in Midrand and from south of Viaduct 2 to behind Linbro Park.

The tracklaying operation is highly mechanised and utilises a wide range of specialised equipment such as works-trains, ballast wagons – which transport and place the crushed rock that forms the base below the sleepers – and equipment to transport and place rails and sleepers, ballast tampers and mobile flash butt welding equipment.

Rails for the Gautrain Trackwork have been manufactured in France and deliveries to site are ongoing. Gautrain will run on the international Standard Gauge, as opposed to the narrower Cape Gauge, which is currently the norm in South Africa.

At the flash butt welding facility, rails are welded into 216 metre long lengths, using high tech rail welding methods. The 216 metre long lengths of rail are then transported as required on specially equipped works-train wagons to the construction site as track laying progresses. Having been placed in position on concrete sleepers, these long lengths are joined together into a continuous length of rail, which eliminates the need for jointed gaps between rails.

RAIL CAR MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLY


TRAIN ON THE TEST TRACK AT THE DEPOT IN MIDRAND

Following a specialised construction and assembly process in Derby, UK, Gautrain’s first shipment of four completed rail cars arrived at the Depot in December 2008. The rest are being shipped to South Africa over the next few months. The first 4-car train set is being tested on the test track at the Depot.

Following a successful skills transfer programme, local technicians are already busy with the assembly of Gautrain rail cars at the Union Carriage and Wagon Partnership in Nigel.

Gautrain’s rolling stock of 96 rail cars is based on the renowned Bombardier Electrostar series, which is used extensively in the U.K. The first 15 rail cars, plus the body shells for the complete fleet, are being manufactured at Bombardier Transportation’s facility in Derby.

The body shells and major components for the remaining 81 rail cars are being ‘flat packed’ into crates and shipped to South Africa. The first locally assembled four-car train set is expected to be completed before the end of June 2009.

PRECAST YARD

The temporary Precast Yard will be demolished during the latter part of this year, as the land is earmarked for the construction of the bus maintenance depot.

The Precast Yard is equipped with twin concrete batching plants and several overhead gantries and tower cranes that are required to manufacture a variety of precast concrete elements.

These include viaduct segments, bridge beams and parapets, tunnel walkway sections and noise barriers. From here, precast elements are transported to the various construction sites as needed. It is currently the largest precast facility in Africa.

VIADUCT 3 OVER ALLENDALE ROAD

North of the Depot, the K60 bridge and Viaduct 3 are both complete, as are the two road-over-rail bridges in this area (West and Ridge), which have been open to traffic for some months.

On the remaining section of the alignment up to Dale Road in Midrand, completion of bulk earthworks, final earthworks layers and finishing works, including catenary foundations, are ongoing.

MIDRAND STATION

Bulk earthworks and retaining wall construction activities at Midrand Station are ongoing.
Construction of the adjacent Grand Central bridge, on which the platforms will be partially located, is in progress.

From the Midrand area northwards, relocation of utilities, bulk earthworks, bridge construction and fencing activities continued, with work now underway along the entire alignment through to the Technopark area at Centurion.

VIADUCT 4 OVER RIETSPRUIT AND OLIFANTSFONTEIN ROAD SOUTH


VIADUCT 4, AERIAL VIEW

At Viaduct 4, excellent progress was achieved on deck segment erection, with all seventeen spans erected by mid January 2009. The launching girder used to erect the deck spans was dismantled and relocated to the viaduct running through Centurion, prior to month end.

VIADUCT 5 OVER THE N1, BEN SCHOEMAN AND INCLUDING CENTURION STATION



VIADUCT 5, CANTILEVER CONSTRUCTION, AERIAL VIEW


VIADUCT 5, AERIAL VIEW

Construction of foundation shafts and piers continued at John Vorster Viaduct and at Jean Avenue Viaduct, where construction of the in-situ balanced cantilever deck sections on top of piers is also in progress.

Several temporary steel pedestrian bridges have been erected over the N14 highway at the Jean Avenue interchange and across the N1 at John Vorster interchange to provide construction workers safe access across these busy highways.

Viaduct 5 carries the elevated alignment through Centurion and supports the elevated Centurion Station platforms located approximately midway along its length. This viaduct stretches from the John Vorster Interchange crossing the N1 in the south and then continues through Centurion to the Jean Avenue Interchange crossing the Ben Schoeman highway in the north.

In Centurion itself, preloading, grouting and piling of viaduct pier foundations were ongoing, and pile cap and pier construction continued. Almost 25% of the piers for Viaduct 5, which carries the elevated railway line through Centurion, have now been completed.

The launching girder that was relocated from Viaduct 4 during January 2009 has been erected between the piers near the Centurion Rugby Club, where erection of viaduct deck segments will commence in early February.

At Centurion Station, foundation grouting has commenced.

VIADUCT 6 OVER EEUFEES ROAD

At Viaduct 6, large diameter foundation piling has commenced and is ongoing at the northern pier positions.

VIADUCT 7 OVER NELSON MANDELA BOULEVARD

Construction of this viaduct is well advanced, with the supporting piers to the section that will carry the deck across Nelson Mandela Boulevard clearly visible. Piling and foundation construction for the remaining sections of this viaduct are ongoing.


VIADUCT 7



PRETORIA STATION, CONSTRUCTION OF STRUCTURAL COLUMNS

Near Salvokop at the approach to Tshwane, where a cut & cover structure will cross below the Ben Schoeman highway, the first phase of construction is complete. The temporary northbound deviation was opened to traffic in mid-January and excavation of the second phase of this structure below the permanent northbound carriageway is in progress.

PRETORIA STATION

At Pretoria Station, construction of the station platforms is ongoing and structural columns and brickwork for the concourse are in progress.

HATFIELD STATION


HATFIELD STATION, COLUMN CONSTRUCTION

HATFIELD STATION

At Hatfield Station, where part of the station concourse deck is already complete, pile cap construction for the adjacent multi-story parkade is ongoing.

Between Pretoria Station and Hatfield Station, a number of bridges crossing the existing railway line require to be either widened or lengthened to accommodate the adjacent Gautrain tracks. Works on a number of these structures is ongoing.

C) EAST-WEST AIRPORT LINK

3. Airport Link (Marlboro Station to OR Tambo International Airport)

Earthworks is in progress along this entire section and is well advanced, albeit hampered by the abnormally wet weather experienced during January 2009.

Work is ongoing at all of the eleven bridges and three viaducts along the Airport Link.

VIADUCT 13 OVER CENTENARY WAY, MODDERFONTEIN

Parapet installation to the sides of the bridge deck is complete and finishing works are in progress.

VIADUCT 13


VIADUCT 13, AERIAL VIEW

VIADUCT 14 OVER ZUURFONTEIN ROAD AND RAILWAY LINE

At Viaduct 14, erection of deck segments was completed during January and the launching girder has been removed. Parapet erection has commenced.

VIADUCT 15 INCLUDING RHODESFIELD STATION

The Rhodesfield Station platforms are elevated and are located approximately one third of the way along Viaduct 15, directly above the existing Metrorail railway lines running between Isando and Kempton Park.

The station entrance, concourse and parking area will be positioned at ground level on the eastern side of the existing railway lines.

RHODESFIELD STATION, AERIAL VIEW


RHODESFIELD STATION, CONSTRUCTION ON TOP OF VIADUCT 15


Erection of precast platform components at Rhodesfield Station is well advanced. Foundations and columns for the Rhodesfield Station concourse structure have commenced.

VIADUCT 15 INCLUDING OR TAMBO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT STATION

VIADUCT 15, AERIAL VIEW



LAUNCHING GIRDER FOR VIADUCT 15 AT OR TAMBO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT STATION


By far the longest viaduct on the east-west section of the route is the 1.5 km long Viaduct 15, which supports the both the Rhodesfield and ORTIA Station platforms and will carry the double track railway line over the R21/R24 road network to the elevated OR Tambo International Airport Station.

At Viaduct 15, where deck erection started just west of Rhodesfield Station, one span remains to be completed on the last section of this viaduct adjacent to the Station Concourse. At the western end of this viaduct, where ten spans remain to be completed, the launching girder that has been relocated from Viaduct 14 will be assembled to complete erection of these remaining spans.

LAUNCHING GIRDER FOR VIADUCT 15 AT OR TAMBO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT STATION

ORTIA STATION CONCOURSE

Construction of the external shell of the ORTIA Station concourse is almost complete and is visible above the elevated drop-off road. Inside the concourse, brickwork is underway for offices and other facilities. The Gautrain Station concourse is immediately adjacent to the new Central Terminal Building.

D) OVERALL PROGRESS

Construction started at the end of September 2006. Gautrain will be completed in two phases:

1. The first phase has a duration of 45 months. It includes the network between the OR Tambo International Airport and Sandton and includes the stations at OR Tambo, Rhodesfield, Marlboro and Sandton, together with the Depot and Operations Control Centre located near Allandale Road in Midrand.
2. The second phase, being constructed concurrently, will be completed in 54 months, towards 2011. It includes the remainder of the rail network and stations linking Sandton to Park Station in Johannesburg and the route from Midrand to Hatfield.

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Communities are reminded that regular Community Liaison Forums are held in affected areas. These afford residents the opportunity to voice their concerns and have their questions answered by Gautrain officials who are present at these meetings.
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Up close and personal with BRT bus

Written by Emily Visser
Friday, 13 February 2009



Joburg has shown off its BRT bus, giving people a chance to have a say on its design, from colour schemes to seating.


Member of the mayoral committee for transport Rehana Moosajee opens proceedings

THE prototype Rea Vaya bus has everyone in awe. Like a well-trained camel, it "kneels", lowering its chassis about eight centimetres closer to the ground. Now the infirm and elderly need only take a short, easy step from the kerb to get into the vehicle.

And in the centre of the bus, a man in a wheelchair is safely brought inside using the bus's mechanical lift.

"Ah," says the crowd, and everyone spontaneously starts to clap.

Prototype
Shown for the first time to the public at the Rea Vaya station in Joubert Park, people had two days in which to get the "look and feel" of the City's new public transport bus system.

On 11 and 12 February, City councillors, university students, disabled people, commuter organisations and the taxi steering committee, among others, were invited to view the bus and have their say on the final interior design.

Opening the proceedings on the first day, Rehana Moosajee, the member of the mayoral committee for transport, said the public participation process was so important to the department that it would even postpone final delivery so that Joburgers could have their say.

"Collectively we intend to deliver to make Joburg a world-class African city."

After being taken on a quick tour of the bus - which will be deployed along the complementary routes of the City's Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system - everyone had the chance to vote on different grab-rail colours, the flooring, seat colour and type of seating.

Being in London
Shirley Mofokeng from Soweto was bubbling over with excitement. "As a senior citizen, I never dreamed of being in London here in South Africa."


Stanley Morgan tries out the wheelchair lift

The bus and station was way above what she had expected it to be, she admitted.

"We [as councillors] must educate the community to look after this baby. This is really beautiful."

A fourth-year town planning student from the University of Pretoria, Phumi Hlabangane, said she and fellow students were bowled over by the project. "It is on a par with overseas. It is really impressive."

Joburg's Rea Vaya is pulling out all the stops to get the latest high-tech specifications on board. To reduce the "dwell time" - the time the bus takes to stop at a station - a guidance system is being looked into to guide and speed up the procedure at the station.

Green light

The City is also looking into a system whereby traffic lights are activated to turn green as soon as the bus is near. This will be done through the Rea Vaya control room in Martindale.

"Priority will always be given to the buses, that's a given," confirmed Simphiwe Ntuli, the director for transport planning and regulation in the City.

And the on-board GPS (global positioning system) will ensure that the buses remain exactly on time. If a bus is falling behind slightly the control room will inform the driver to speed up; if it is ahead of schedule, the driver will be told to slow down.

Ntuli said the operating company would be penalised if it did not follow the bus schedules to the letter. The same went for any damage caused to the bus, or if it did not comply with safety and cleanliness standards.

"Actually, it's all about punctuality, reliability and safety. We [the City] will not compromise."

Complementary buses will be able to operate along the dedicated BRT bus lanes as well as on normal city roads. They will take approximately 71 passengers, with dedicated seating for the infirm, elderly, pregnant women and one wheelchair user. They will have on-board CCTV cameras, audio-visual display systems and electronic doors on both sides.

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Very good. It will be a welcome improvement as the Metro Buses are not that reliable actually.
But are they planing to upgrade the MetroRail between Park Station and Pretoria as well? With more safety and express services like the new "business" train between Soweto and Park Station? I don't mention the Gautrain as, with its higher fares, it is will target only middle-class passengers.
There is already a Business Express between Johannesburg and Pretoria, http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/art...ive-2008-06-27

and the Transport Department was running a pilot project for minibus taxis were passenger were buying taxi tags instead of cash and they reported it to be a success and it will be rolled out across the country but I'm not sure about the time frame because our taxis are problem makers and they will do anything to make sure that government's initiatives fail. There will also be HOV lanes which will also add to the smooth flow of traffic.
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Infact, the Metrorail of Johannesburg is not a true metro. It's name Metrorail means it is a railway system which connects metropolitan cities with their suburbs. e.g. - Capetown, Durban, Johannesburg, Pretoria. etc.

South Africa still has not true metro.

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Gautrain is more of a suburban rail line than a local metro subway isn't it?
Absolutely right. Any underground rail transport is not metro. For example - Sydney has both partly underground suburban train and partly underground reintroduced tram. They are not metro. Melbourne has also underground suburban train.

Metro's rolling stock usually more advanced than suburban train.
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REALLY NICE TRAIN!!! south africa looks so clean, its not what i thought it would be. it looks very british. SALUDOS DESDE EL NORTE DE MEXICO!
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Infact, the Metrorail of Johannesburg is not a true metro. It's name Metrorail means it is a railway system which connects metropolitan cities with their suburbs. e.g. - Capetown, Durban, Johannesburg, Pretoria. etc.

South Africa still has not true metro.
Actually our terms of metro and suburbs are very different from other countries. We call even neighbourhoods in downtown areas suburbs. So for us suburbs are very much part of the metro. Thus we do have metro. Do some research before speaking nonsense. It's even up in wikipedia.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 06:32 PM   #177
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I would consider this in the same boat as Paris’s RER.. in which case I feel it has more in common with a metro than suburban rail.

And not considering this real Africa is ridiculous, what do you consider New York or Boston as not real America cause of their densities and extensive mass transit systems…. in the US you have states like Mississippi which are totally different than Massachusetts… and just because one state or country is different doesn’t make it any less part of the region.
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Old February 23rd, 2009, 12:59 AM   #178
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Is this map correct? Or have there been changes to the design?





Any station renders, or details about train frequencies?
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Old February 23rd, 2009, 02:33 AM   #179
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Actually our terms of metro and suburbs are very different from other countries. We call even neighbourhoods in downtown areas suburbs. So for us suburbs are very much part of the metro. Thus we do have metro. Do some research before speaking nonsense. It's even up in wikipedia.
He's kind of right that South Africa does not posess a metro system currently, but he's wrong as to the definition as a metro has nothing to do with connecting metropolitan areas, that's a bunch of rubbish. Your definition of neighbourhoods in metropolitan areas being termed as suburbs is exactly the same as the rest of the world including Australia/New Zealand and by in large Europe too.

Your metrorail set up is no different to the suburban rail we see in Australian cities too, it is not as you claim, a "metro" system by any stretch of the imagination. The rolling stock is not metro stock, but commuter rail stock as you can clearly see from the two door configuration. The track set up is wrong and the network shares right of ways with freight trains which would never happen in a metro system. Also, from looking at the timetables of the various metrorail areas it is perfectly clear that the schedules kept by metrorail trains could not be called a metro service due to the poor frequency of service for example: the Simons Town line in Cape town has a frequency of around 2 to 3 trains per hour off peak (even less at the extremes of the line) - this is NOT a metro frequency. Not only this, but the schedules are incredibly random: take a look at this timetable for metrorail in Cape Town, the service frequencies are all over the place with no regular intervals between services, especially in the off-peak trains. Could you imagine what chaos there would be if any metro system worldwide ran at such frequencies? True there are some reasonable peak frequencies on the metrorail services I looked at, but in peak travel times worldwide most metro systems will run every 2-3 minutes per line and then every 4-5 minutes off peak. This is a true metro frequency.

That is not to take anything away from its importance as a means of transport within South African cities, but if you take a look at London - there is quite a distinction between the suburban "National Rail" service and the London Underground in exactly the areas I talk about above. Also; since you set such store by Wikipedia, it might do you good to check out their entry on Metrorail (South Africa). There it is termed correctly as "commuter rail". Like I said, the situation is the same in Australia with Australia not possessing a single metro system currently, instead they possess many frequent commuter rail/suburban rail systems such as Cityrail in Sydney.

Anyway, metrorail isn't the subject of this thread, I just felt it necessary to correct you seeing as you make such a point about South Africa possessing a metro system.
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Old February 23rd, 2009, 07:28 AM   #180
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Thank you for sharing all this information. Just by looking at this thread I've learnt a lot about how a metro is actually constructed.
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