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View Poll Results: Who should host the 2015 and 2019 Rugby World Cups?
2015: England - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: England - 2019: Japan 14 17.50%
2015: England - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: Italy - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
2015: Italy - 2019: South Africa 6 7.50%
2015: Japan - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: Japan - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Italy 8 10.00%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
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Old July 31st, 2009, 05:00 PM   #201
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There was a good chance that the USA was going to get a Bledisloe Cup match (Australia vs New Zealand) this year in Denver , but it went to Tokyo instead. I reckon it's just a matter of time.
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The IRB is really trying to sell us on Japan being a big rugby nation...
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The IRB is really trying to sell us on Japan being a big rugby nation...

There's a chance that the new Super 15 franchise could be based in Japan.
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Old July 31st, 2009, 09:20 PM   #204
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There's a chance that the new Super 15 franchise could be based in Japan.
Or Argentina! Or the United States! or Napier/Hastings! Or Port Elizabeth! Or Melbourne! Or West Sydney! Or the Gold Coast! Or New Plymouth!
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Or Argentina! Or the United States! or Napier/Hastings! Or Port Elizabeth! Or Melbourne! Or West Sydney! Or the Gold Coast! Or New Plymouth!
I doubt it will be in the USA or Argentina, the whole point of the new conference system is to stop the problems that exist because of the massive time differences between South Africa and Australia New Zealand. Besides, neither country has a professional rugby league.

The odds are on a South Pacific franchise based in Samoa/Fiji/Tonga, a Japanese franchise or a 5th Australian team.
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Old July 31st, 2009, 09:40 PM   #206
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A Pacific Islander team or Japanese team are nowhere nearly as likely as a 5th Aussie franchise, in my opinion. Time zones are only half the issue with the current spread of teams; the other component being the travel. Japan does not alleviate that.
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Old July 31st, 2009, 10:07 PM   #207
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A Pacific Islander team or Japanese team are nowhere nearly as likely as a 5th Aussie franchise, in my opinion. Time zones are only half the issue with the current spread of teams; the other component being the travel. Japan does not alleviate that.
I agree, partly because I can see the ARU not being very happy if it goes somewhere else, and it's obviously easy to keep it just amongst the SANZAR countries.

I must say the new competition does look as if it'll be good though. I only hope someone finally plucks up the courage to set up a challenge match between the winners of Super 14/15 and the Heineken Cup.
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Old August 1st, 2009, 11:08 AM   #208
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The IRB is really trying to sell us on Japan being a big rugby nation...
Japan actually has more registered players than Australia and New Zealand, and a thriving university rugby culture. It's just not a big hitter on the international scene.
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Old August 1st, 2009, 10:01 PM   #209
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RugbyU: Hong Kong, Singapore still in Japan's World Cup venue plan
30 July 2009
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Japan will fight to stage some of its rugby World Cup games in Hong Kong and Singapore, a senior official said Thursday, despite demands from the sport's governing body that it host all the matches.

The International Rugby Board (IRB) council on Tuesday awarded the 2019 tournament to Japan, making it the first Asian host of the sport's premier quadrennial competition.

But the IRB said matches must be staged within host nations, despite Japan's bid having included allocating some pool matches to Hong Kong and Singapore in what it called a "tender for Asia" to help globalise the sport.

"We will leave the question to future talks with the IRB," Japan Rugby Football Union vice president Nobby Mashimo told AFP after returning from Dublin, where he led Japan's bid team at the council's meeting.

"It will take a long time to reach a final decision," he said, adding that the question must be settled a few years before the start of ticket sales for the 2019 event.

"The IRB has told us to stage matches at home, unless there are special reasons," Mashimo said.

"With this in mind, we will insist on the advantages of Hong Kong and Singapore," he added. "We will try to make our case understood and create conditions that are acceptable to the participants there."

In literature submitted for the bid, Japan said sharing some World Cup matches with the two former British colonies would help cultivate new fans and create business opportunities in a region with emerging corporate power.

Hong Kong is home to the world's biggest rugby Sevens tournament, and Singapore is located close to the rugby superpower nations of Australia and New Zealand.

But the hot tropical weather in Singapore has been cited as a disadvantage for teams who might have to play there, Mashimo said.

"As everybody knows, Hong Kong has a huge seating capacity for rugby matches," he said.

Mashimo said he had also stressed to IRB leaders Singapore's geographical proximity to Australia and New Zealand.

"I pointed out that Singapore is in an economic zone including Australia," he said.

Singapore is scheduled to complete a rugby stadium in a sports complex in 2011, he added.
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Old September 1st, 2009, 07:33 AM   #210
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Old September 1st, 2009, 06:25 PM   #211
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INTERVIEW-Rugby-Japan keeps 'flyaway' World Cup options open
20 August 2009

TOKYO, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Japan has not ruled out staging games at the 2019 World Cup in other Asian countries, but admits the extra travel could put a strain on teams.

Japan Rugby Football Union (JRFU) chairman Nobby Mashimo said Singapore and Hong Kong could still host matches but only if it made financial sense.

"We are not going to say it's not an option," Mashimo told Reuters in an interview. "Of course you have to wonder if there's a handicap for teams involved.

"The conclusion might be that a seven-hour flight to Singapore or four hours to Hong Kong is unfair. But we also have to weigh up the overall strategic factors.

"The decision will be made with input from the IRB (International Rugby Board) but we need to look at how it would help ticket sales.

"Over the next 10 years we could see China's rugby market rise if rugby sevens is approved for inclusion in the Olympics (in 2016) -- or possibilities for South Korea."

"We will have to see if there's a business advantage to it before making a decision," he added.

Japan won last month's IRB vote to host the 2019 World Cup with the 2015 tournament going to England on the recommendation of the event organisers.

The Japanese had been surprisingly beaten by New Zealand in the voting for the 2011 World Cup.

LATE-NIGHT LOBBYING

"I felt like crying when we got the 2019 World Cup," confessed Mashimo, who along with Japan coach John Kirwan was lobbying IRB members late into the night before the July 28 vote.

"Until the last minute we were worried the IRB might not follow the recommendation. When it was announced it was extremely emotional."

Mashimo said the JRFU, who will make use of stadiums constructed for the 2002 soccer World Cup Japan co-hosted with South Korea, were satisfied at landing the 2019 World Cup.

"We wanted 2015 but on balance maybe the World Cup had to return to Europe," he said. "With the economic downturn it makes sense to boost the coffers before going outside Europe again.

"I feel sorry for New Zealand having to stage the (2011) World Cup with the global recession still with us. It will be tough for them."

Mashimo admitted Japan's biggest challenge was to build a team capable of reaching the quarter-finals in 2019. The "Brave Blossoms" have won just one game in six World Cup appearances.

"Japan reached the knockout stages at the 2002 soccer World Cup and we need to match that," he said. "It will be important in terms of ticket sales if we have a team capable of that.

"We must improve. Japan's World Cup results have been miserable."
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Old September 1st, 2009, 09:40 PM   #212
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RugbyU: Hong Kong, Singapore still in Japan's World Cup venue plan
30 July 2009
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Japan will fight to stage some of its rugby World Cup games in Hong Kong and Singapore, a senior official said Thursday, despite demands from the sport's governing body that it host all the matches.

The International Rugby Board (IRB) council on Tuesday awarded the 2019 tournament to Japan, making it the first Asian host of the sport's premier quadrennial competition.

But the IRB said matches must be staged within host nations, despite Japan's bid having included allocating some pool matches to Hong Kong and Singapore in what it called a "tender for Asia" to help globalise the sport.

"We will leave the question to future talks with the IRB," Japan Rugby Football Union vice president Nobby Mashimo told AFP after returning from Dublin, where he led Japan's bid team at the council's meeting.

"It will take a long time to reach a final decision," he said, adding that the question must be settled a few years before the start of ticket sales for the 2019 event.

"The IRB has told us to stage matches at home, unless there are special reasons," Mashimo said.

"With this in mind, we will insist on the advantages of Hong Kong and Singapore," he added. "We will try to make our case understood and create conditions that are acceptable to the participants there."

In literature submitted for the bid, Japan said sharing some World Cup matches with the two former British colonies would help cultivate new fans and create business opportunities in a region with emerging corporate power.

Hong Kong is home to the world's biggest rugby Sevens tournament, and Singapore is located close to the rugby superpower nations of Australia and New Zealand.

But the hot tropical weather in Singapore has been cited as a disadvantage for teams who might have to play there, Mashimo said.

"As everybody knows, Hong Kong has a huge seating capacity for rugby matches," he said.

Mashimo said he had also stressed to IRB leaders Singapore's geographical proximity to Australia and New Zealand.

"I pointed out that Singapore is in an economic zone including Australia," he said.

Singapore is scheduled to complete a rugby stadium in a sports complex in 2011, he added.
I hope they Singapore and Hongkong do get to stage some worldcup games. England are host of the 2015 and they are adding the Millenium Stadium in Wales. So if they can do it. So should Japan.
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Old September 1st, 2009, 09:43 PM   #213
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I hope they Singapore and Hongkong do get to stage some worldcup games. England are host of the 2015 and they are adding the Millenium Stadium in Wales. So if they can do it. So should Japan.
It's hardly the same thing. Cardiff isn't a seven hour plane ride away from England.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 08:03 AM   #214
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Actually, the IRB defines second tier nations as the following (with current IRB rankings):

Fiji (9)
Samoa (11)
Canada (13)
Japan (14)
Tonga (15)
USA (18)
Romania (19)
Really? I think most Canadians would be surprised to know that we even have a team. 13th in the world? Good god, how's that even possible!
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Beating up on Barbados, Bermuda and the USA.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:15 AM   #216
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Really? I think most Canadians would be surprised to know that we even have a team. 13th in the world? Good god, how's that even possible!
Well if Canada does a decent showing in the next Rugby WC, then one can possibly expect a Canadian bid. A great excuse to upgrade and build new stadiums! Even if the legacy isn't necessarily for Rugby...
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 06:22 AM   #217
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Well if Canada does a decent showing in the next Rugby WC, then one can possibly expect a Canadian bid. A great excuse to upgrade and build new stadiums! Even if the legacy isn't necessarily for Rugby...
The good thing about such a plan is that a Canadian gridiron is roughly the same size as a rugby pitch (maybe a little narrower), so the post-WC transition wouldn't really be much of a chore.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 07:17 AM   #218
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Really? I think most Canadians would be surprised to know that we even have a team. 13th in the world? Good god, how's that even possible!
Yes Canada actually participates and does fairly well in Rugby. An awesome sport to play and pretty decent to watch as well.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 08:07 AM   #219
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The good thing about such a plan is that a Canadian gridiron is roughly the same size as a rugby pitch (maybe a little narrower), so the post-WC transition wouldn't really be much of a chore.
Yeah, Rugby fields are about 10 yards wider than the Canadian fields but that extra width needed would just cover the space where Canadian Football players seem to all stand up along the sidelines. Rugby only has a bench for substitues and both teams are located on the same side, which takes up far less room. Plus high side line fences are not essential like in the CFL and NFL because the bench tend to sit as opposide to standing and blocking the view. That would suit the Rogers Centre.

You don't seem to see too many Rugby fields at international level using the full traditional 20m deep in goal areas (end zone) anymore. Most are 11m for Rugby Union and maybe up to 15m on Shit grounds like Perth's Subiaco Oval. In the pics below at Commonwealth Stadium the in goal areas are not deep enough for the WC but only because that have decided to remain with in the gass infield, it it was a WC or Test match, turf would have to be laid on a bit of the track to complete the full in goal area such as in the last pic of ANZ Stadium (Stadium Australia era).





Only Stadium issue in the way of Canada hosting a RWC is that the International Rugby Board currently doesn't approve the use of Synthetic surfaces for officially sanctioned internationals.

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What a shame. Canada would have been better off staying with their commonwealth brothers in playing rugby instead of modifying their game like our country did. Rugby is a minor sport in Ireland and Australia yet they fare pretty well on the international stage. Canada could have been there.
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