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View Poll Results: Who should host the 2015 and 2019 Rugby World Cups?
2015: England - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: England - 2019: Japan 14 17.50%
2015: England - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: Italy - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
2015: Italy - 2019: South Africa 6 7.50%
2015: Japan - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: Japan - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Italy 8 10.00%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
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Old January 6th, 2006, 10:18 PM   #21
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then why not think argentina....do they have no interest in hosting it?
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Old June 12th, 2008, 05:06 PM   #22
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Rugby world cup 2015 & 2019 bids

After reading much of the highly debated 2018 WC threads I began to think about the World's 3rd largest sporting tournament, the Rugby World Cup. The RWC continues to grow at an exciting rate with the last Cup in France averaging 47 150 in attendance each game, almost 9000 more than 2003.

The Rugby WC has been now been played in all the tradtional powers of the game and New Zealand will host again in 2011 (no doubt the last time they will be able to host it alone). 2015 and onwards the International Rugby Board will be looking into developmental territory to host. Many were upset that Japan lost the bid for 2011.

I'm keen to discuss who could successfully host a RWC outside of the traditional powers and support it with the high standards which it expects. 20 teams, minimum of 8 stadiums, and I believe that now they must have over 20 000 seats and the semi's and final must seat 60 000+.

note; the IRB has yet to sanction the use of artificial turf in International test matches. This would no doubt affect a North American bid, though I believe that Artificial turf will be acceptable by 2015.

The most likely nations would be Argentina, Japan, Italy, the US and Canada.
After a long look at American and Canadian stadiums and assuming artificial turf is acceptable; these are the stadiums that look as if they could fit the minimum dimensions for International Rugby Union (127 yds / 74.4 yds or 116m / 67m) remebering that the Rugby pitch is around 20 yards wider than American Football and that many North American stadiums have a high side line fence (to look over the players bench) which may inhibit sightlines of the try (touchdown) corner flags.

Perfect venues;
Stanford Stadium, Cal
Rentschler Field, Conn
Rutgers Stadium, NJ
University Stadium, Albuquerque NM
BC Place, BC
Commonwealth Stadium, Alberta

Questionable venues;
(maybe field not big enough)
Columbus Crew Stadium, Ohio
Princeton Stadium, NJ
Pizzahut Park, TX
Dick's Sporting Goods Park, Col

(Capacity too big and/or no potential for local support)
Kyle Field, TX
Miami Stadium, Fl
Citrus Bowl, Fl
Memorial Stadium, Illinois
Jordan Hare Stadium, Al

(Possible sightline problems, thoguh I imagine one of these places would host the final)
Quest Field, Wash (designed with Soccer dimensions)
Gillette Stadium, Mass (as above)
Rogers Centre, Ont
Qualcomm Stadium, Cal
Rose Bowl, Cal

(any chance of Louisiana and the likes getting behind Les Bleus/Les tricolores, you know, the French connection)

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Old June 12th, 2008, 08:34 PM   #23
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I really cant see artificial turf being ever allowed in rugby to be honest.
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Old June 12th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #24
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the World's 3rd largest sporting tournament, the Rugby World Cup.
is it f**k
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Old June 12th, 2008, 11:08 PM   #25
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I really cant see artificial turf being ever allowed in rugby to be honest.
Anyone that has ever played the game will agree with you. Any kind of artificial surface would tear a rugby player to shreds.

After New Zealand in 2011, I find it difficult to see beyond some kind of Celtic Nations bid, especially given the way voting went for 2011. I think we're really dealing with competitions from 2019 onwards. Canada has done a good job hosting various rugby tournaments including the Churchill Cup and the 2006 Women's Rugby World Cup. Rugby fans in Canada have shown, time and time again, that there is a market for the sport. With the Canada team continuously improving, I think it must have a decent shout.

Similarly, the sport has grown well in Japan and that must be an option. Apparently, at least some Japanese are totally mad for rugby and having seen crowds at international games in Japan against bigger nations - in 2005, big crowds came out for both of Ireland's tests. With stadia like Kintetsu Hanazono Rugby Stadium and Chichibunomiya Rugby Stadium, not to mention the stadia we saw at the 2002 football world cup, there is little doubt about the capacity for Japan to hold a successful Rugby World Cup and would also provide a means for the IRB to potentially grow the sport in east Asia.

There are plenty of other countries capable of hosting the tournament. I think it would be a great opportunity for a county like Italy, where the sport really seems to be taking off with the improved fortunes of the international side, as well as countries like Spain, Portugal, Romania or Georgia where the sport has come a long way in recent times. That's not to mention China and the USA...

Ultimately, I'd love to see Canada given the opportunity in 2015. The contribution Canada has made to hosting lower levels of the sport in recent times is impressive and makes it an ideal and deserving host for the full tournament.

Argentina is also an option, especially with the growing support of the national team, given recent success.

I can't see any more than one in three tournaments not being held in the traditional strongholds of international rugby for quite some time. As such, something like:

2011 - New Zealand
2015 - Celtic Nations - final in either Ireland or Scotland
2019 - Canada
2023 - South Africa - working on a round robin of tri-nations countries
2027 - Europe - Italy / Spain / Portugal etc.
2031 - Japan
2035 - Australia
2039 - Argentina
2043 - England
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Old June 13th, 2008, 07:14 AM   #26
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Old June 13th, 2008, 07:17 AM   #27
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After reading much of the highly debated 2018 WC threads I began to think about the World's 3rd largest sporting tournament, the Rugby World Cup. The RWC continues to grow at an exciting rate with the last Cup in France averaging 47 150 in attendance each game, almost 9000 more than 2003.

The Rugby WC has been now been played in all the tradtional powers of the game and New Zealand will host again in 2011 (no doubt the last time they will be able to host it alone). 2015 and onwards the International Rugby Board will be looking into developmental territory to host. Many were upset that Japan lost the bid for 2011.

I'm keen to discuss who could successfully host a RWC outside of the traditional powers and support it with the high standards which it expects. 20 teams, minimum of 8 stadiums, and I believe that now they must have over 20 000 seats and the semi's and final must seat 60 000+.

note; the IRB has yet to sanction the use of artificial turf in International test matches. This would no doubt affect a North American bid, though I believe that Artificial turf will be acceptable by 2015.

The most likely nations would be Argentina, Japan, Italy, the US and Canada.
After a long look at American and Canadian stadiums and assuming artificial turf is acceptable; these are the stadiums that look as if they could fit the minimum dimensions for International Rugby Union (127 yds / 74.4 yds or 116m / 67m) remebering that the Rugby pitch is around 20 yards wider than American Football and that many North American stadiums have a high side line fence (to look over the players bench) which may inhibit sightlines of the try (touchdown) corner flags.

Perfect venues;
Stanford Stadium, Cal
Rentschler Field, Conn
Rutgers Stadium, NJ
University Stadium, Albuquerque NM
BC Place, BC
Commonwealth Stadium, Alberta

Questionable venues;
(maybe field not big enough)
Columbus Crew Stadium, Ohio
Princeton Stadium, NJ
Pizzahut Park, TX
Dick's Sporting Goods Park, Col

(Capacity too big and/or no potential for local support)
Kyle Field, TX
Miami Stadium, Fl
Citrus Bowl, Fl
Memorial Stadium, Illinois
Jordan Hare Stadium, Al

(Possible sightline problems, thoguh I imagine one of these places would host the final)
Quest Field, Wash (designed with Soccer dimensions)
Gillette Stadium, Mass (as above)
Rogers Centre, Ont
Qualcomm Stadium, Cal
Rose Bowl, Cal

(any chance of Louisiana and the likes getting behind Les Bleus/Les tricolores, you know, the French connection)
i think you have some of the sizes of fields mixed up
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is it f**k
i think its

1. football world cup
2. olympics
3. european football championships
4. rugby world cup
5.copa america ????
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italy/portugal/spain etc won't host the rwc for a very long time. rugby isn't even professional in spain/portugal

it basically alternates between europe and the southern hemisphere although japan could get one really soon

don't think canada would have the interest
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i think you have some of the sizes of fields mixed up
If your refering to the soccer specific stadiums, I just don't know if they have the extended length for the ingoal area (endzone).

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i think its

1. football world cup
2. olympics
3. european football championships
4. rugby world cup
5.copa america ????
Nope, apparently the Rugby World Cup IS the 3rd last sporting tournament.

About the Artificial Turf, the IRB continues to investigate the product, obviously we are not talking about Astroturf. On their website under regulations or Laws there is an indepth PDF on the topic and were they are headed with it. The New Zealand All Blacks already have a training centre with artificial turf instald. I Canada was to ever host a Cup, I imagine that artificial turf would play a part as the country doesn't have enogh large natural grass venues.
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If your refering to the soccer specific stadiums, I just don't know if they have the extended length for the ingoal area (endzone).
well not just those, but some of the stadiums you listed have about the same dimensions as any other american stadium.
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i think its

1. football world cup
2. olympics
3. european football championships
4. rugby world cup
5.copa america ????
define largest? attendance? revenue? most watched on tv?

technically the commnwealth games is the 2nd largest after the olympics..

the ryder cup has billed itself as being in the top 5 in the past..

personally i'd go with your top 3,maybe swap the olympics & FIFA WC around...but i'm struggling to put the RUWC in the top 5 let alone the top 3..
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define largest? attendance? revenue? most watched on tv?
Good point.
Well in attendance the last Rugby World Cup averaged 47150, the last 4 have averaged 40623, all up it has averaged 30336.

Had a cumulative world televison audience of over 3.5 billion, watched in 205 countries in 2003, don't know about 2007 but assume more considering everything else grew.

Don't know about revenue.

http://www.austrade.gov.au/From-the-...s/default.aspx

I my part of the world it is commonly stated as the third biggest sports event behind the soccer WC and the Olympics. Australia dominate the commonwealth games and it has never been said to currently rival the Rugby World Cup.

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2011 - New Zealand
2015 - Celtic Nations - final in either Ireland or Scotland
2019 - Canada
2023 - South Africa - working on a round robin of tri-nations countries
2027 - Europe - Italy / Spain / Portugal etc.
2031 - Japan
2035 - Australia
2039 - Argentina
2043 - England
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2011 - New Zealand
2015 - Japan
2019 - South Africa
2023 - Scotland
2027 - Australia
2031 - England
2035 - Argentina
2039 - Italy
2043 - South Africa
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CharlieP, what's the dimensions for rugby field? What I mean by rugby here is a representative of the sports where they play the game with an oval shaped ball using their hands from rugby union(?) to Australian football(?) - I just have a rough idea that there are many kinds of hand-using ball sports on earth but don't know what exactly. Probably can you answer the question sport by sport?

PS) Exclude American football. I know the field dimensions of American football
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CharlieP, what's the dimensions for rugby field? What I mean by rugby here is a representative of the sports where they play the game with an oval shaped ball using their hands from rugby union(?) to Australian football(?) - I just have a rough idea that there are many kinds of hand-using ball sports on earth but don't know what exactly. Probably can you answer the question sport by sport?
The maximum dimensions in rugby union are 100 x 70 metres for the pitch - 144 x 70 metres including the in-goal areas. I'm not sure what the minimum dimensions are. Rugby league is similar but with smaller in-goal areas, and Australian Rules Football is played on large oval pitches, usually shared with cricket.
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italy/portugal/spain etc won't host the rwc for a very long time. rugby isn't even professional in spain/portugal

it basically alternates between europe and the southern hemisphere although japan could get one really soon
it isnīt professional in Argentina either, but it was on the first proposed list, and ended 3rd in the last world cup....
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minimum in goals are 10 metres

normally they're around 15
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it isnīt professional in Argentina either, but it was on the first proposed list, and ended 3rd in the last world cup....
i didn't think about that, sorry

argentina deserves a world cup because they've got the infrastructure and the passion for rugby whereas other amateur nations don't
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