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View Poll Results: Who should host the 2015 and 2019 Rugby World Cups?
2015: England - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: England - 2019: Japan 14 17.50%
2015: England - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: Italy - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
2015: Italy - 2019: South Africa 6 7.50%
2015: Japan - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: Japan - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Italy 8 10.00%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
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Old June 20th, 2008, 05:17 PM   #61
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The United States. Sorry, I kinda continued from the post about the Super Rugby League so I assumed my location was established. I don't mean to be US-centric.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 03:39 AM   #62
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If you get the chance, the highest level of rugby played annually is the Tri-Nations starts in a few weeks.
It's between Australia, New Zealand and South Africa and often produces spectacular matches.
The European equivalent, the 6 Nations, between France, Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland and Italy starts in January and is frequently highly entertaining. You see huge travelling support with the teams with many spectators enjoying a weekend away in PAris, London, Dublin, Cardiff, Rome and Edinburgh. The distances are relatively short and travel cheap which results in the smaller cities having a party atmosphere for the games. The large sizes of London and Paris tend to dilute the ambiance somewhat.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 03:21 PM   #63
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The European equivalent, the 6 Nations, between France, Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland and Italy starts in January and is frequently highly entertaining.
February, you mean.
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Old June 23rd, 2008, 01:37 PM   #64
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rugby is geared towards the world cup these so the upcoming tests probably wont be as of such a high standard

they're also experimenting with the elvs
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Old June 26th, 2008, 07:43 AM   #65
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It is a 'done' deal the RWC is off to Japan in 2015.

What would we do, have it at Twickenham again?
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Old June 26th, 2008, 07:45 AM   #66
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scotland or ireland could host the final?
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Old June 26th, 2008, 07:53 AM   #67
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I could see a joint Celtic bid ignoring England, final probably in Cardiff. 2 groups each in Scotland/Ireland with Wales having just one and the opening game/final. Semis in Dublin/Edinburgh
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Old June 26th, 2008, 07:56 AM   #68
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a final at landsdowne road or murrayfield would be more likely, afterall wales did host the 1999 final
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True enough, but they only have 1 1/2 stadiums so would not be able to host as many games as the other 2. Besides, they have better rugby tradition. Plus, it's closer for English supporters.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 02:30 PM   #70
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England and Wales look likely to bid for the 2015 event:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7496251.stm
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Old July 12th, 2008, 11:18 AM   #71
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England and Wales look likely to bid for the 2015 event:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7496251.stm
If that happens it is a travesty for world rugby BOTH Wales and Englad have hosted a final before it should simply not happen.

If there is a RWC to be held again in the British Isles, the tournament should be either a joint Ireland / Scotland tournament or it should be held in Great Britain with the final at Murrayfield!

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Old July 12th, 2008, 04:00 PM   #72
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I gather the IRB expect the NZ WC 2011 to make a loss so to re-balance the books they want a guaranteed profit in 2015. That points to a WC in England. Looking good for the golden decade.

Olympics - 2012
Commonwealth Games - 2014
Rugby WC - 2015
Euro2016 - 2016
Football WC - 2018
Cricket WC - 2019
Wimbledon - 2010-2019(!)

Plus no doubt at least one each Champions League final and UEFA Cup final.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 07:40 PM   #73
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I gather the IRB expect the NZ WC 2011 to make a loss so to re-balance the books they want a guaranteed profit in 2015. That points to a WC in England. Looking good for the golden decade.

Olympics - 2012
Commonwealth Games - 2014
Rugby WC - 2015
Euro2016 - 2016
Football WC - 2018
Cricket WC - 2019
Wimbledon - 2010-2019(!)

Plus no doubt at least one each Champions League final and UEFA Cup final.
I'd prefer South Africa 2015, England 2019 after the world cup meaning they could use all the upgraded venues too and have massive year in 2019.
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Old July 20th, 2008, 11:26 PM   #74
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The Italian federation are interested in bidding for either 2015 or 2019:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7516262.stm
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:05 AM   #75
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I'd prefer South Africa 2015, England 2019 after the world cup meaning they could use all the upgraded venues too and have massive year in 2019.
that would be a good idea but remember the irb were reluctant to hold a rugby world cup in south africa so soon after the football world cup
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:26 AM   #76
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that would be a good idea but remember the irb were reluctant to hold a rugby world cup in south africa so soon after the football world cup
thats why i used "prefer".
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Old July 21st, 2008, 01:22 AM   #77
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I gather the IRB expect the NZ WC 2011 to make a loss so to re-balance the books they want a guaranteed profit in 2015. That points to a WC in England. Looking good for the golden decade.

Olympics - 2012
Commonwealth Games - 2014
Rugby WC - 2015
Euro2016 - 2016
Football WC - 2018
Cricket WC - 2019
Wimbledon - 2010-2019(!)

Plus no doubt at least one each Champions League final and UEFA Cup final.
Although I want Euro 2016 to be hosted in Scotland, I don't think they will get it if England are awarded W.C 2018, I would have thought other European nations to kick up a fuss as the 2 biggest football tournaments would be hosted within 2 years effectively in the same country.

However if all these tournaments were to be awarded to Scotland, England etc then it would start a huge stadium upgrade all over the country, which is a good thing.

I have a question, if Scotland were to go for both Euro 2016 and the 2014 Rugby World Cup, which tournament if any, would it want to co-host with either Wales or Ireland? Or do you think Scotland could host them both alone?
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Old July 21st, 2008, 01:44 AM   #78
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Regarding the possibility of a US RWC bid, yes, plainly the requirement of natural turf is a given, which would preclude a number of NFL stadia. Back in the 1994 FIFA WC, the following venues were used:

Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA, 91,000
Silverdome, Pontiac, MI, 80,000
Stanford Stadium, Stanford, CA, 80,000
Giants Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ, 77,000
Citrus Bowl, Orlando, FL, 70,000
Soldier Field, Chicago, IL, 67,000
Cotton Bowl, Dallas, TX, 67,000
Foxboro Stadium, Foxboro, MA, 61,000
RFK Stadium, Washington, DC, 57,000

I'm not suggesting that precisely these venues should be used, but it does illustrate how easily such a tournament could be accommodated using venues with suitable surfaces and palying areas - although as I remember, the Silverdome was temporarily turfed for the WC instead if its usual artificial turf.

Interestingly, I remember that the groups and venues were drawn to maximise national sympathies - as an earlier poster suggested for the RWC. Italy were drawn to play in NY/NJ and Germany in Chicago - although I'd never known until then that Chicago had a particularly high German ex-pat population.
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Old July 21st, 2008, 03:14 AM   #79
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I have a question, if Scotland were to go for both Euro 2016 and the 2014 Rugby World Cup, which tournament if any, would it want to co-host with either Wales or Ireland? Or do you think Scotland could host them both alone?
The chances of Scotland being able to host the Euros, even in their current format, as a sole bidder are pretty low. At the moment, Scotland have four stadia, of which only three would be usable, that meet minimum standards for hosting the Euros. As three are in Glasgow, one of Celtic Park, Hampden Park and Ibrox wouldn't be able to be used. The other stadium is Murrayfield.

The capacity at Pittodrie, Aberdeen's stadium, is just over 22,000, so a 30,000 plus capacity redevelopment may not be too far into the realms of fantasy. Due to roads on two sides of the stadium, redevelopment is limited and a rebuild would probably be required. I can't see this being desirable to the club.

Inverness and Dundee seem like other obvious host cities but neither city has any requirement for a long-term 30,000 seat stadium. The two teams in Dundee have stadia with capacities of 12,000 and 14,000. Even for Dundee and Dundee United to share a 30,000 capacity stadium seems infeasible. Inverness Caledonian Thistle currently play in a stadium with a capacity of under 8,000. A 30,000 stadium there is ridiculous. Perth may be another option but again, the 30,000 capacity is unrealistic; current capacity at McDiarmid Park is just over 10,000

The final host city could be a complete mystery; geographic spread would suggest that somewhere in the Borders would be desirable but there is little population and few teams or existing stadia that would make this, in any way, realistic. Similar problems exist in the highlands, outside of the three cities already named. While it would cluster half of the stadia into the central belt, the final option would need to be somewhere like Falkirk. Current capacity at Falkirk Stadium is under 7,000 but solid plans to exist to take it up to 10,000. 30,000 here, again, is totally unreasonable.

The best a Scotland bid could do would be something like:

Aberdeen - New Build - 30,000
Dundee - New Build - 30,000
Edinburgh - Murrayfield Stadium - 67,800
Falkirk - Falkirk Stadium Expansion - 30,000
Glasgow - Hampden Park - 52,103
Glasgow - Celtic Park / Ibrox Stadium - 60,857 / 51,082
Inverness - New Build - 30,000
Perth - McDiarmid Park Expansion - 30,000

Even with temporary stands, this isn't realistic for the clubs involved. Scotland's best chance of hosing a European Championships is as a backup for 2012.

Given the growth the Rugby World Cup in France signalled, Scotland would also probably be incapable of hosting the RWC alone. Given the tradition of RWCs held in the UK and Ireland, however, the bid always seems to be about the right to host the final, rather than the whole tournament. If Scotland were to bid, the final would be at Murrayfield and, likely, games held all around the UK and Ireland.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7516262.stm
I think this is fantastic news. There's certainly enough stadia of a suitable size in the country and it could really boost the profile of the game in a country where it has been growing well for a number of years.

I also see that Perpignan are looking to host a few big games in the Nou Camp, which would be great for the profile of the game in Spain.
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The chances of Scotland being able to host the Euros, even in their current format, as a sole bidder are pretty low. At the moment, Scotland have four stadia, of which only three would be usable, that meet minimum standards for hosting the Euros. As three are in Glasgow, one of Celtic Park, Hampden Park and Ibrox wouldn't be able to be used. The other stadium is Murrayfield.

The capacity at Pittodrie, Aberdeen's stadium, is just over 22,000, so a 30,000 plus capacity redevelopment may not be too far into the realms of fantasy. Due to roads on two sides of the stadium, redevelopment is limited and a rebuild would probably be required. I can't see this being desirable to the club.

Inverness and Dundee seem like other obvious host cities but neither city has any requirement for a long-term 30,000 seat stadium. The two teams in Dundee have stadia with capacities of 12,000 and 14,000. Even for Dundee and Dundee United to share a 30,000 capacity stadium seems infeasible. Inverness Caledonian Thistle currently play in a stadium with a capacity of under 8,000. A 30,000 stadium there is ridiculous. Perth may be another option but again, the 30,000 capacity is unrealistic; current capacity at McDiarmid Park is just over 10,000

The final host city could be a complete mystery; geographic spread would suggest that somewhere in the Borders would be desirable but there is little population and few teams or existing stadia that would make this, in any way, realistic. Similar problems exist in the highlands, outside of the three cities already named. While it would cluster half of the stadia into the central belt, the final option would need to be somewhere like Falkirk. Current capacity at Falkirk Stadium is under 7,000 but solid plans to exist to take it up to 10,000. 30,000 here, again, is totally unreasonable.

The best a Scotland bid could do would be something like:

Aberdeen - New Build - 30,000
Dundee - New Build - 30,000
Edinburgh - Murrayfield Stadium - 67,800
Falkirk - Falkirk Stadium Expansion - 30,000
Glasgow - Hampden Park - 52,103
Glasgow - Celtic Park / Ibrox Stadium - 60,857 / 51,082
Inverness - New Build - 30,000
Perth - McDiarmid Park Expansion - 30,000

Even with temporary stands, this isn't realistic for the clubs involved. Scotland's best chance of hosing a European Championships is as a backup for 2012.

Given the growth the Rugby World Cup in France signalled, Scotland would also probably be incapable of hosting the RWC alone. Given the tradition of RWCs held in the UK and Ireland, however, the bid always seems to be about the right to host the final, rather than the whole tournament. If Scotland were to bid, the final would be at Murrayfield and, likely, games held all around the UK and Ireland.



I think this is fantastic news. There's certainly enough stadia of a suitable size in the country and it could really boost the profile of the game in a country where it has been growing well for a number of years.

I also see that Perpignan are looking to host a few big games in the Nou Camp, which would be great for the profile of the game in Spain.
I agree and disagree with you there mate.

Scotland woud not be able to host both tournaments on our own but there is no reason why we could not host most of it with a junior partner invloved like Ireland

For the Euros we would need one group to be held in Ireland with one quarter final and a semi being held there

Aberdeen are actually moving foraward with a stadium plan with Aberdeen city council at the moment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...en/7515065.stm

Both Dundee terams will move into a shared ground, which will be purpose built and expanded to 30000 for the tournament

Ibrox and Celtic Park (used as one stadium)
Hampden
Murrayfield
Rugby Park (temporary expansion)

There's six definite stadia for you for a start, perhaps Inverness could be given a multipurpose arena that can be used as a stadium but also as a regional sports centre once it is finished?

and then there would only be one extra stadium needed, either Falkirk OR here is a bit of a left field, use St James' Park as one group location.

I am sure England would jump at the chance to be based in newcastle for their games (asuming they make it there ofcourse ;-))

As for the rugby world cup all of he above still stands, but if Scotland needed to farm extra games out then give Ireland a couple fo groups and a quarter final. The Other quarters could be Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow with the semis being in Edinburgh and Glasgow.

Not beyond the realms of possiblity and really if NZ can host he RWC, why can't Scotland?
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