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View Poll Results: Who should host the 2015 and 2019 Rugby World Cups?
2015: England - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: England - 2019: Japan 14 17.50%
2015: England - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: Italy - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
2015: Italy - 2019: South Africa 6 7.50%
2015: Japan - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: Japan - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Italy 8 10.00%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
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Old July 21st, 2008, 04:48 AM   #81
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Interesting post, Gorgu; I must admit that I hadn't thought of Kilmarnock. Rugby Park has a capacity of 18,000 at the minute; is it possible to find another 12,000 temporary seats given the site restrictions? At I guess, I'd say no - two corners could be filled in and the south stand could be expanded but only half of the west stand and none of the north and east stands could be developed. I think it would be a massive struggle to turn Rugby Park into a 30,000 capacity stadium, even temporarily.

The major issue with having a minor partner is that the options are likely to be Wales, Ireland or Northern Ireland. Wales only brings the Millennium Stadium to the table. Ireland would bring Lansdowne Road or Croke Park and Northern Ireland brings absolutely nothing. Does Wales have any use or requirement for a 30,000 capacity stadium outside of Cardiff? Does Ireland have use for one outside of Dublin? The realistic answer is no. Under UEFA restrictions, the new Cardiff City stadium couldn't be used and only one of Croke Park and Lansdowne Road could be used. I don't think a shared tournament brings much to the Scotland bid, unfortunately.

I wasn't aware that Aberdeen has such immediate redevelopment plans. A 22,000 capacity stadium could easily be converted up to 30,000.

As much as I would love to see the Euros in Scotland, I just cannot see it being possible with a Scotland only bid and I'm really not sure what a minor partner in Ireland or Wales really brings to the table. The worry is not just stadia (although you do make a valid case), we must also ask if cities and towns like Inverness, Dundee or Kilmarnock have enough tourist infrastructure to cope with an influx of 30,000+ football fans.

When it comes to New Zealand hosting the rugby world cup; I think you totally underestimate the stadium infrastructure in New Zealand, especially for rugby. It is on a level, capacity wise, that Scotland simply cannot compete with.

I think these are complete lists of usable stadia with capacities over 20,000 in each country:

New Zealand:

Albany - North Harbour Stadium - 25,000
Auckland - Eden Park - 45,472
Auckland - Mt Smart Stadium - 35,000
Christchurch - AMI Stadium - 36,500
Christchurch - Queen Elizabeth II Park - 20,000
Dunedin - Carisbrook - 30,000
Hamilton - Waikato Stadium - 27,500
Mount Maungaui - Blue Chip N.Z. Stadium - 20,000
New Plymouth - Yarrow Stadium - 25,000
Rotorua - Rotorua International Stadium - 35,000
Wellington - Westpac Stadium - 36,000
Whangarei - ITM Stadium - 25,000

Scotland:

Aberdeen - Pittodrie Stadium - 22,000
Edinburgh - Easter Road Redevelopment - 20,000
Edinburgh - Murrayfield Stadium - 67,800
Edinburgh - Tynecastle Stadium Redevelopment - 23,000
Glasgow - Celtic Park - 60,000
Glasgow - Ibrox Stadium - 51,000
Glasgow - Hampden Park - 52,000

I think both the spread and number of suitably sized stadia in New Zealand show the difference in abilities of the two countries to host the Rugby World Cup. New Zealand provides 12 in 10 cities. Scotland provides 5 in 3 cities with the potential, in the future, to provide 7 in 3 cities.
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Old July 21st, 2008, 06:10 AM   #82
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In agree and disagree with you there

At the moment there is a definite difference in stadia, but NZ are actually redeveloping their grounds in order to get those number to that level, I am sure Scotland would do the same.

Lets take a look at the possibilities with scotland having upgraded stadia:

Aberdeen - New Stadium - 22,000 (temporary 30,000 for large events as detailed here)
Edinburgh - Easter Road Redevelopment - 22, 000 (with new stand as detailed here: http://sport.scotsman.com/sport/JC-c...ost.3465900.jp)
Edinburgh - Murrayfield Stadium - 67,800 (no need to introduce you to this one)
Edinburgh - Tynecastle Stadium Redevelopment - 23,000 (new stand as detailed here: http://sport.scotsman.com/heartofmid...000.2671972.jp)
Glasgow - Celtic Park - 60,000 (I think you know this one)
Glasgow - Ibrox Stadium - 51,000 (This one too)
Glasgow - Hampden Park - 52,000 (and this one)
Dundee - New Stadium - 30,000 temporary (17,500 after tournament)
Inverness arena I proposed earlier
Kilmarnock - (Up to 25000 easiliy if you look at the layout of the stadium and simply filled the corners in
Falkirk could also be brought up to 20,000 if the stands were built in a strategic way

add to these dunfermline, kirkaldy and paisley (all circa 10,000 for the smaller matches between african and asian teams) and Melrose (where the sevens is payed every year with 15000 watching) you could have a pretty good world cup in my opinion!
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Old July 21st, 2008, 07:47 AM   #83
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dunno if celtic or rangers would allow their stadiums to be used, especially if tis during the season
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Old July 21st, 2008, 07:51 AM   #84
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I am pretty sure that both would be happy to bend a little given the prestige of the tournament and also pressure from press and government bodies.

Also france seems to manage ok last year with 90% of the stadia being used being football stadia!
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 04:23 PM   #85
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Could something be worked out with so much of Scotland's population being in the central belt. Surely the governing body would see the sense in allowing all three of Glasgows stadiums being used as this would very much be a special case.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 09:02 AM   #86
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The IRB have announced the bidders for 2015 and 2019:

2015:

Australia, England, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Scotland, South Africa and Wales

2019:

Australia, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Russia, Scotland, South Africa and Wales

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7564403.stm

I can't see the IRB going for two tournaments in a row in one of Tri-Nations, so I think Australia and South Africa will be ruled out. Arguably, bids from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales are unlikely to be drastically different, in terms of stadia used, with the bid to be about hosting the final alone - I imagine that talks between all four unions will mean that this does turn into a bid from only one of the home nations. My personal preference, obviously, is a tournament in the UK because I can get to go to the games without spending large sums of money but it would be great for the game in Italy and Japan and, more idealistically, I'd support one of those two bids. Given time zones and TV audiences, I think 2015 may be too early for Japan but I think Italy could put on a great tournament.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 12:45 PM   #87
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The IRB have announced the bidders for 2015 and 2019:

2015:

Australia, England, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Scotland, South Africa and Wales

2019:

Australia, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Russia, Scotland, South Africa and Wales
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Old August 16th, 2008, 09:27 PM   #88
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The IRB have announced the bidders for 2015 and 2019:

2015:

Australia, England, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Scotland, South Africa and Wales

2019:

Australia, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Russia, Scotland, South Africa and Wales

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7564403.stm

I can't see the IRB going for two tournaments in a row in one of Tri-Nations, so I think Australia and South Africa will be ruled out. Arguably, bids from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales are unlikely to be drastically different, in terms of stadia used, with the bid to be about hosting the final alone - I imagine that talks between all four unions will mean that this does turn into a bid from only one of the home nations. My personal preference, obviously, is a tournament in the UK because I can get to go to the games without spending large sums of money but it would be great for the game in Italy and Japan and, more idealistically, I'd support one of those two bids. Given time zones and TV audiences, I think 2015 may be too early for Japan but I think Italy could put on a great tournament.
England, South Africa and Japan would offer a great set of high capacity venues.
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Old August 17th, 2008, 03:11 AM   #89
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As would Italy; I'm actually quite interested to see the particulars of an Italian bid. Given that a vast majority of large sports stadia in Italy are owned by city Municipalities, Italy are possibly in the unique position to hold some kind of bidding process for host cities. I hope that at least some of the planned cities are in the south of the country. At the minute, the rugby heartland is still largely in the north of the country but something like a rugby world cup could hopefully generate greater interest elsewhere.

As well as the Stadio Flamino, Italy could offer the following venues:

San Siro - Milan - 85,000
Stadio San Paolo - Naples - 78,000
Stadio Olimpico - Rome - 73,000
Stadio San Nicola - Bari - 58,000
Stadio Artemio Franchi - Florence - 47,000
Stadio Friuli - Udine - 41,000
Stadio San Filippo - Messina - 40,000
Stadio Renato Dall'Ara - Bologna - 39,000
Stadio Marc'Antonio Bentegodi - Verona - 39,000
Stadio Arechi - Salerno - 37,000
Stadio Luigi Ferraris - Genoa - 36,000
Stadio Via del Mare - Lecce - 36,000
Stadio Nereo Rocco - Trieste - 32,000

I've bolded the stadia I would imagine would be used.
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 05:42 PM   #90
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Rugby world cup 2015&2019 bids

In June 2009 the host of World cup 2015 and 2019 will be chosen. Canidates are Italy, Ireland, Japan, Scotland, England, Wales, South Africa and Australia

Any photos of possible stadia? Who are the favourites?
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 07:36 PM   #91
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If England win the bid the final will definetly be held at the 82,000 seater Twickenham stadium (which is only used for rugby):

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Old November 22nd, 2008, 08:50 PM   #92
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So, Italy and England are candidates ?
Where is the source please ?
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I've read in Spanish-speaking press...

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news...rug&type=story
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don't forget bids by jamaica and russia for the 2019 world cup
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Jamaica & Russia, i didn't even realize they had teams. I think besides from the usual countries Japan and Argentina could be real contenders to host.
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Russia not only have a team, they have a very good chance of qualifying for the next World Cup. Last I checked they were ranked 18 in the world.
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Russia not only have a team, they have a very good chance of qualifying for the next World Cup. Last I checked they were ranked 18 in the world.
Russia surely will qualify for the next World Cup. In the first match of Six Nations "B" defeated Spain 42-15
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I think South Africa could have a good chance of winning either bids, what with the massively upgraded infrastructure for 2010
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Only the top two sides in the Six Nations "B" qualify automatically - I predict Georgia and Romania will take these places and Russia will come third and have to join three other sides in the playoffs.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #100
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I think South Africa could have a good chance of winning either bids, what with the massively upgraded infrastructure for 2010
not only that, but it would have been 20 years since we last hosted it in 2015
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