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View Poll Results: Who should host the 2015 and 2019 Rugby World Cups?
2015: England - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: England - 2019: Japan 14 17.50%
2015: England - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: Italy - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
2015: Italy - 2019: South Africa 6 7.50%
2015: Japan - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: Japan - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Italy 8 10.00%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
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Old December 24th, 2008, 02:13 PM   #121
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France 2007 was not a great World Cup. They should never stage world cups in multi nations.

Australia 2003 still was the best World Cup and captured the nation.
RWC 2003 was a good World Cup. RWC 2007 was a great World Cup.

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The major improvement to make to future World Cups would be to reduce the number of teams to 12. 20 is ridiculous.
12 is far more "ridiculous" than 20 - if you go by the teams pre-qualified for 2011, you're talking about excluding established rugby nations like Samoa, Canada and the USA, not to mention countries like Georgia and Portugal where the game is exploding thanks to their participation in the World Cup...
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Old December 24th, 2008, 05:00 PM   #122
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i must however agree that the multicountry sharing that goes on with France, england, ireland, wales and scotland, makes the thing a bit of a farce at times. Cos it bascially means that whenever one of them host, all of them get games, kinda adds to the scratch my back rubbish that taints global events.

Yes wales and scotland could never host on there own, but always including england makes it a UK event. Therefore it returns there every second time in a sense. Hardly a different WC every time then.

I'd keep the team numbers up, its good for pushing growth in the future. i do however find that its stupid to include more teams at the WC but then they basically dont do anything between WC's.

On the Japan hosting the WC issue, i still think its WAY out the way for all the fans to be flown in, there is not a strong enough rugby culture yet and it wont be the right time now. maybe 15-20 years yes. I think more intermediary steps need to take place to intergrate these other nations before hoisting the WC on them. That is what is lacking from the IRB imo.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 05:02 PM   #123
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oh and SA will get either 2015 or 2019 thats a total given
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Old December 24th, 2008, 05:08 PM   #124
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oh and SA will get either 2015 or 2019 thats a total given
really?

Wales, Scotland, England etc. got to host in 2007 due to the votes for France's 2007 bid. Votes for matches
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Old December 25th, 2008, 04:45 AM   #125
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A Celtic bid would be very viable.

A joint bid for Wales, Scotland and Ireland would include:

Cardiff (Milennium)
Swansea (Liberty)
Llanelli (Scarlets)
Glasgow (Hampden)
Glasgow (Parkhead)
Edinburgh (Murrayfield)
Aberdeen (Pittdoorie)
Dublin (Croke)
Dublin (New Landsdowne)
Belfast (Casement)
Limerick (Thomond)
Cork (Caiomh)
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Old December 25th, 2008, 07:11 AM   #126
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WA; you're living in a dream world if you think Casement Park and Páirc Uí Chaoimh could ever be used in a RWC bid.

First of all, the repeal of law 42 applies specifically to Croke Park and not GAA stadia in general. Under the current, temporary, repeal, Casement and Chaoimh are a no go; given the money it took for Croker to open its doors and the massive fight that it took, I don't see a RWC being enough to merit another repeal that takes in, not only Croke Park, but also GAA stadia elsewhere.

Secondly, the facilities at Casement Park and Páirc Uí Chaoimh are pretty bad. In fact, I'd say they are pretty much awful. Chaoimh is in a grim state at present. It has decent redevelopment plans but aren't even at a meaningful planning stages but a recent scheme to replace the bench seats with proper seats ended with the backs of seats being removed due to the terrible spacing that resulted. Casement is, to be honest, a dump. The facilities, especially female toilets, are atrocious and there are very, VERY few seats in the place.

Let's also add in here that the new Parc Y Scarlets holds a mere 14,000 and that Croke Park may not be available for this bid... It doesn't take a lot of imagination to piece together a Magners League bid but your potential venues aren't well thought and fails to account for the fact that a realistic Celtic Bid is for little more than the right to host the final, with venues from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all used. The last time the Celtic Nations hosted a RWC (Wales, 1999), the tournament was considerably smaller than it is following the great tournaments hosted by Australia and France; sadly, I fear a meaningful Celtic Nations bid requires England to be on board or else it will be dwarfed by what Italy can offer.
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Old December 26th, 2008, 01:02 AM   #127
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A Celtic bid would be very viable.

A joint bid for Wales, Scotland and Ireland would include:

Cardiff (Milennium)
Swansea (Liberty)
Llanelli (Scarlets)
Glasgow (Hampden)
Glasgow (Parkhead)
Edinburgh (Murrayfield)
Aberdeen (Pittdoorie)
Dublin (Croke)
Dublin (New Landsdowne)
Belfast (Casement)
Limerick (Thomond)
Cork (Caiomh)

Actually a quite realistic set of stadia would be:

Cardiff (Milennium)
Swansea (Liberty)
Llanelli (Scarlets)
Glasgow (Hampden)
Glasgow (Parkhead)
Kilmarnock (Rugby Park)
Edinburgh (Murrayfield)
Aberdeen (New Pittodrie)
Dundee (Tannadice)
Perth (McDairmid Park)
Dublin (Croke)
Dublin (New Landsdowne)
Belfast (The Maze)
Limerick (Thomond)
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Old December 27th, 2008, 02:36 PM   #128
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really?

Wales, Scotland, England etc. got to host in 2007 due to the votes for France's 2007 bid. Votes for matches
hence the corruption inherent in current voting platforms and my belief they need an overhaul. It becomes a european boys club for rugby constantly
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Old December 28th, 2008, 12:12 AM   #129
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Isn't Ibrox supposed to seat 80,000 by that time? I'd include it over Parkhead.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 12:36 AM   #130
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Nope, the France 2007 World Cup was a major disapointment. Staging matches in Ireland and Wales was utterly idiotic.

The World Cup in France did not capture France anything like the Australia 2003 one did.

The IRB should grow some cajones and NEVER allow the Cup to be spread all over the place.

It almost becomes a quasi 6 nations the way they had it in France. If you are going to do it that way, just have teams play at home and have the final somewhere neutral.

Rugby needs to get serious.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #131
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20 February 2009
South Wales Echo

CARDIFF City's new stadium could host matches at the 2015 Rugby World Cup.

Though England will launch a solo bid to host the 2015 event, RFU chairman Martyn Thomas has confirmed some matches could be switched to Wales.

But, whereas the Millennium Stadium and the Liberty Stadium, in Swansea, are perhaps natural choices, the move to include the Bluebirds' new home will come as a shock to many.

The 27,000-seater stadium will open for business before the start of next season and be the home of both Cardiff City and Cardiff Blues.

Scotland, Wales and Ireland have all expressed an interest in staging the 2015 World Cup - but none of them have the facilities to host the tournament on their own and would have to rely on joining forces. Any hopes the Celtic unions had of submitting a combined home nations bid now appear to have been scuppered.

But Thomas said: "We have certainly had very good discussions with the Welsh in terms of using the facilities they have, particularly the Millennium Stadium but also the Ospreys and maybe the new Cardiff stadium.

"I am sure if we go ahead with the bid we will certainly involve games in Wales.

"We haven't totally ruled out games further north.

"We want to make sure there are games in the north of England and that it reaches out to as many people as possible."

England faces competition from government-backed bids in Europe - possibly Italy - and South Africa in hosting the World Cup, now considered the world's third biggest sporting event, for the first time since 1991.

"There seem to be potentially two other countries that are likely to be strong contenders," said Thomas.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 09:43 PM   #132
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Isn't Ibrox supposed to seat 80,000 by that time? I'd include it over Parkhead.
The phrase "pipe dream" comes to mind. I don't doubt that someone has mentioned this, but that it's unrealistic for the club to do this.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 02:29 PM   #133
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really?

Wales, Scotland, England etc. got to host in 2007 due to the votes for France's 2007 bid. Votes for matches
Only Wales and Scotland hosted 2007 games, Mo.
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Only Wales and Scotland hosted 2007 games, Mo.
thats correct, thank you. the French would never be that silly.
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Old February 25th, 2009, 11:39 AM   #135
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The crazy thing is, the French didn't need to ***** themselves to the Celtic nations - in the end only the USA and Canada voted for England. RWC 2007 was the best yet, but would have been even better with all 48 games in France...
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Old February 26th, 2009, 01:43 AM   #136
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I fear a meaningful Celtic Nations bid requires England to be on board or else it will be dwarfed by what Italy can offer.
I think that fear is unfounded on two points. You only have to look at Italy's failure to win the bid for Euro 2012 to see that all is not exactly rosy on their front.

But, at the same time, I see no reason why the Celtic nations couldn't come together for a proper, jointly-hosted World Cup without England. Even allowing for the issues surrounding Croke Park and GAA venues, you could still come up with a strong venue list:

Cardiff - Millennium Stadium and the new Blues Stadium
Swansea - Liberty Stadium
Llanelli - Expanded Parc y Scarlets or Wrexham - Re-developed Racecourse Ground

Dublin - Lansdowne Road (perhaps an expansion to 60,000+?)
Dublin - RDS Stadium
Limerick - Thomond Park
Belfast - New National Stadium

Edinburgh - Murrayfield (perhaps an expansion to secure its first final)
Glasgow - Hampden Park
Aberdeen - New Stadium
Glasgow - Fir Hill

And would the GAA oppose involvement if it meant some big investment to improve venues?
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Dublin - Lansdowne Road (perhaps an expansion to 60,000+?)
They can't expand to 60,000+ - if they could they'd currently be building a stadium that size!

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The RDS is a stone's throw from Lansdowne Road, and uses a lot of temporary seats on scaffolding for Heineken Cup games - not an ideal venue for a World Cup!
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Old February 26th, 2009, 08:47 PM   #138
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Not ideal, but is there a better option?
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Old February 26th, 2009, 08:52 PM   #139
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Another country mayby with more than enough stadia ......
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