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View Poll Results: Who should host the 2015 and 2019 Rugby World Cups?
2015: England - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: England - 2019: Japan 14 17.50%
2015: England - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: Italy - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
2015: Italy - 2019: South Africa 6 7.50%
2015: Japan - 2019: Italy 9 11.25%
2015: Japan - 2019: South Africa 5 6.25%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Italy 8 10.00%
2015: South Africa - 2019: Japan 12 15.00%
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Old May 24th, 2009, 02:27 AM   #161
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Too bad Argentina isn't bidding, considering the great performance they made in France 2007.

A Rugby World Cup could have provided the catalysis for improved infrastructure in cities and upgrade of stadiums. Perhaps next time.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 07:37 AM   #162
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I vote for Japan

stadiums that could host it -

Nissan Stadium - 70,000
Saitama Stadium - 63,000
Shizuoka Stadium - 51,000
Hiroshima Big Arch - 50,000
Miyagi Stadium - 50,000
Toyota Stadium - 45,000
Olympic Stadium (Tokyo) - 58,000
Ōita Stadium - 40,000
Niigata Stadium - 42,000
Nagai Stadium - 50,000
Kintetsu Hanazono Rugby Stadium - 30,000
KKWing Stadium - 32,000
Ajinomoto Stadium - 50,000
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Old May 24th, 2009, 08:35 AM   #163
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I don't think the Ajinomoto Stadium would host matches...it's a disaster.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 10:02 AM   #164
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Your forgetting the new Olympic Stadium, should Tokyo win it's bid for the 2016 Summer Olympics, it could use the new stadium with it's large 100,000 capacity for the Rugby WC should it win. :P
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Old May 24th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #165
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I vote for Japan

stadiums that could host it -

Nissan Stadium - 70,000
Saitama Stadium - 63,000
Shizuoka Stadium - 51,000
Hiroshima Big Arch - 50,000
Miyagi Stadium - 50,000
Toyota Stadium - 45,000
Olympic Stadium (Tokyo) - 58,000
Ōita Stadium - 40,000
Niigata Stadium - 42,000
Nagai Stadium - 50,000
Kintetsu Hanazono Rugby Stadium - 30,000
KKWing Stadium - 32,000
Ajinomoto Stadium - 50,000
These are the stadia listed in the Japanese bid:

Nissan Stadium, Yokohama (72,000)
Nagai Stadium, Osaka (50,000)
Olympic Stadium, Tokyo (57,000)
Chichibunomiya Rugby Stadium, Tokyo (27,000)
Yurtec Stadium Sendai, Sendai (20,000)
Level-5 Stadium, Fukuoka (23,000)
Toyota Stadium, Toyota (45,000)
Sapporo Dome, Sapporo (41,000)
Home's Stadium, Kobe (34,000)
Hong Kong Stadium, Hong Kong (40,000)
Singapore Sports Hub, Singapore (50,000)
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Old May 24th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #166
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England's proposed stadia:

Wembley, London (90,000)
Twickenham, London (82,000)
Old Trafford, Manchester (76,212)
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff (74,500)
Emirates Stadium, London (60,355)
St James' Park, Newcastle upon Tyne (52,387)
Anfield, Liverpool (45,370)
Elland Road, Leeds (39,401)
St Mary's, Southampton (32,689)
Ricoh Arena, Coventry (32,609)
Welford Road, Leicester (17,498)
Kingsholm, Gloucester (16,500)

Italy's proposed stadia:

Stadio Olimpico, Rome (83,000)
San Siro, Milan (80,081)
Stadio San Paolo, Naples (76,824)
Stade Vélodrome, Marseilles (63,012)
Stadio Renzo Barbera, Palermo (37,000)
Stadio Marc'Antonio Bentegodi, Verona (42,160)
Stadio Artemio Franchi, Florence (47,282)
Stadio Luigi Ferraris, Genoa (36,536)
Stadio Euganeo, Padua (32,420)
Stadio Olimpico di Torino, Turin (27,550)

Japan's proposed stadia:

Nissan Stadium, Yokohama (72,000)
Nagai Stadium, Osaka (50,000)
Olympic Stadium, Tokyo (57,000)
Chichibunomiya Rugby Stadium, Tokyo (27,000)
Yurtec Stadium Sendai, Sendai (20,000)
Level-5 Stadium, Fukuoka (23,000)
Toyota Stadium, Toyota (45,000)
Sapporo Dome, Sapporo (41,000)
Home's Stadium, Kobe (34,000)
Hong Kong Stadium, Hong Kong (40,000)
Singapore Sports Hub, Singapore (50,000)
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Old May 24th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #167
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Marseille, south of France.
In English: Marseilles
In French: Marseille
In Italian: Marsiglia
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Old May 30th, 2009, 12:52 AM   #168
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Japan's proposed stadia:

Nissan Stadium, Yokohama (72,000)
Nagai Stadium, Osaka (50,000)
Olympic Stadium, Tokyo (57,000)
Chichibunomiya Rugby Stadium, Tokyo (27,000)
Yurtec Stadium Sendai, Sendai (20,000)
Level-5 Stadium, Fukuoka (23,000)
Toyota Stadium, Toyota (45,000)
Sapporo Dome, Sapporo (41,000)
Home's Stadium, Kobe (34,000)
Hong Kong Stadium, Hong Kong (40,000)
Singapore Sports Hub, Singapore (50,000)
Nice list for Japan!! Great move to include Hong Kong and Singapore in the bid as well, this will increase their chances for sure!
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Old May 30th, 2009, 08:55 AM   #169
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Hopefully Italy or Japan get it or rugby will never grow
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Old May 30th, 2009, 12:24 PM   #170
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England's proposed stadia:

Wembley, London (90,000)
Twickenham, London (82,000)
Old Trafford, Manchester (76,212)
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff (74,500)
Emirates Stadium, London (60,355)
St James' Park, Newcastle upon Tyne (52,387)
Anfield, Liverpool (45,370)
Elland Road, Leeds (39,401)
St Mary's, Southampton (32,689)
Ricoh Arena, Coventry (32,609)
Welford Road, Leicester (17,498)
Kingsholm, Gloucester (16,500)

Italy's proposed stadia:

Stadio Olimpico, Rome (83,000)
San Siro, Milan (80,081)
Stadio San Paolo, Naples (76,824)
Stade Vélodrome, Marseilles (63,012)
Stadio Renzo Barbera, Palermo (37,000)
Stadio Marc'Antonio Bentegodi, Verona (42,160)
Stadio Artemio Franchi, Florence (47,282)
Stadio Luigi Ferraris, Genoa (36,536)
Stadio Euganeo, Padua (32,420)
Stadio Olimpico di Torino, Turin (27,550)

Japan's proposed stadia:

Nissan Stadium, Yokohama (72,000)
Nagai Stadium, Osaka (50,000)
Olympic Stadium, Tokyo (57,000)
Chichibunomiya Rugby Stadium, Tokyo (27,000)
Yurtec Stadium Sendai, Sendai (20,000)
Level-5 Stadium, Fukuoka (23,000)
Toyota Stadium, Toyota (45,000)
Sapporo Dome, Sapporo (41,000)
Home's Stadium, Kobe (34,000)
Hong Kong Stadium, Hong Kong (40,000)
Singapore Sports Hub, Singapore (50,000)
some of those 20,000 stadiums in japan are gonna have to be upgraded if they get the rwc
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Old May 31st, 2009, 02:03 AM   #171
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some of those 20,000 stadiums in japan are gonna have to be upgraded if they get the rwc
I think Italy might have more to worry about than Japan when it comes to stadiums...
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Old June 30th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #172
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I've thought about this a bit more.

I don't think Japan will get it in 2015, as that would be two tournaments in a row away from the lucrative European TV market time zone.

I don't think South Africa should get it again before England.

So England or Italy for 2015, and Japan or South Africa for 2019.

Italy then Japan would be two "developing" hosts in a row, which might be a bit of a gamble.

England then South Africa on the other hand would be a bit of a snub to developing nations.

General sentiment is that Japan got a rough deal last time, so I'm going to have to go for England then Japan rather than Italy - South Africa.
Looks like RWC Ltd think the same way:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8126952.stm
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Old June 30th, 2009, 10:43 PM   #173
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Looks like RWC Ltd think the same way:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8126952.stm

I'm italian but I agree. I hope in my country for 2015 or 2019 but England and Japan is the best choice.
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Old June 30th, 2009, 11:01 PM   #174
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leicester tigers welford road ground will have approx 32 000 capacity by 2015
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 02:37 AM   #175
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South Africa, then Japan is my vote. I think Japan will need a bit more time to promote the game if it wants to fill stadiums.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 03:20 AM   #176
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England to boost the coffers in 2015 (all six nation unions filling stadiums for the group games, and the massive expat communities from NZ, SA and Aus) makes it a no brainer.

That makes the risk of two relative gambles financially (NZ and Japan) viable.

SA to host in 2023, Italy in 2028, then Aus, then a Celtic Nations RWC.
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Might clash with the Olympics
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Old July 27th, 2009, 05:25 AM   #178
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This was in todays NZ Herald

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Rugby: Olympic hope may cost Sth Africa cup

South Africa's bid for the 2015 or 2019 Rugby World Cup will this week be sacrificed on the altar of the game's greatest desire, entry into the Olympics.

The full IRB Council is set to ratify the recommendation of the World Cup committee that England should host the tournament in 2015 and Japan four years later.

England, because of its enormous financial capacity, was always banker for the 2015 event. The IRB needs a whopping financial bonanza in 2015.

But the reason Japan will win the vote for 2019 ahead of South Africa is the issue of rugby in the Olympic Games, a dream the IRB has had for the better part of 50 years.

The decision in favour of Japan becoming the first country outside the IRB's traditional powerhouse nations to host a World Cup is likely to swing the large, highly significant Asian vote in the Olympics behind rugby's cause.

It is an overwhelming priority of the IRB to see rugby, in the form of Sevens, included for the first time at an Olympics.


One IRB insider said last week: "The implications of rugby being accepted in the Olympics are absolutely massive, simply incalculable. Calling yourself an Olympic sport opens so many doors. Nothing would be done to imperil that potential."

It means that, despite the three billion rand ($600,000) the South Africans have invested in their bid, it will cut little ice when the fullIRB Council meets in Dublin on Wednesday to make a final decision.

England and Japan will most likely be confirmed as the hosts and South Africa will face the prospect of, at the very least, a 28-year gap between World Cups.

There is some justification for the IRB's position. To develop as a true world sport, rugby needs to gain entry to the Olympics. For in its Sevens form, lesser rugby nations such as Kenya, Japan and South Korea, with proper preparation and professional expertise, compete significantly in such a tournament.

Under professionalism, the widening of the chasm between the traditional rugby-playing countries and nations such as Canada, the US, Fiji and Samoa - has alarmed many in the game. There is no way a full XV-a-side competition could be held in the Olympics and offer the non-traditional countries a reasonable hope of success.

But Sevens is different and it would surely make a magnificent spectacle.

Olympic bosses are expected to decide this October whether to include Sevens for the 2016 Games. A decision this week to give the 2019 Rugby World Cup to Japan would be timely indeed.

Thus the South African bid is expected to fail. But IRB insiders suggest the South Africans should look in their own backyard for another reason for their failure.

The way ticket prices were so grossly distorted by the host nation for the recent British and Irish Lions tour went down like a lead balloon in official IRB circles.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 07:33 AM   #179
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Very interesting post. I don't particularly like Rugby 7's but it is the only realistic format for the Olympics. To be an Olympic sport again would be great for the non giants of the game. Australia never does that well at 7's but South Africa, New Zealand and Fiji do for the Southern Hemisphere. Like to see Rugby 7's inclusion as a possible recruitment boon for the USA, get some track/spint guys playing on the wing.

As for Rugby World Cup, I don't want to see it in the UK again for a while but I understand the economics, look forward to Japan's bid. Would have loved to have seen Japan 2015 and Italy 2019.

Question; Didn't Rugby Union get kicked out of the Olympics on dubious reports of crowd hooliganism?
Funny that the last gold medalists were the USA, with the French having some greivences.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 10:29 AM   #180
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Dont deny Africa again!
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