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Old November 23rd, 2009, 02:25 AM   #241
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Clearly Dubai wins that one and will continue to win with larger margins. And New York doesn't necessarily win the 250m--300m category either. I was surprised that New York only has 9 buildings over 250m. Dubai's 300m+ alone beats that so it really doesn't make sense to keep that category. Chicago, Hong Kong and Shanghai also have more buildings over 250m than New York.

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Old November 23rd, 2009, 08:35 AM   #242
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NYC has 88 buildings over 600 feet and Hong Kong has 71 buildings over 600 feet (plus 5 more newly completed ones so far for a total of 76).

For 200m+ (which is 656 feet), New York City is clearly #1 in the world with the most buildings.

Dubai wins the #1 spot for over 800 feet, with 21 buildings (4 near completed).

Hong Kong is clearly #1 for over 500 feet, with NYC #2 by a small margin (about 20% less).

By comparison, there's new 2008 data of Shanghai having 847 buildings of 30 stories or more, and Emporis shows that Hong Kong has nearly 3,000 buildings of 30 stories or more!!!

I do not think Shanghai holds any titles in the world yet for most buildings that exceed a certain height or # of floors. In fact, Shanghai does not beat Hong Kong until the baseline # of floors is around 17-18 (probably 18-19 by now).

I do not know if Sao Paulo would, either, if always staying behind Seoul with # of buildings over any given height/stories? Perhaps Seoul could beats Hong Kong with # of buildings over 20 floors, given the large number of 20+ floor commieblocks for dozens of miles in valleys spread out in all directions from central Seoul?

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Old November 23rd, 2009, 08:58 AM   #243
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You just moved the benchmark down a bit. So New York wins 200m+, Hong Kong might win 100m+, but also we are sure that Shanghai beats Hong Kong down to 18 stories. So in terms of highrises, both New York and Hong Kong are out and Shanghai is still in the run. You didn't prove that Shanghai doesn't have a title for any height. As long as it beats Hong Kong at some point (which it does), it has a chance for a title. For highrises, it is still between Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul and SP because OP's claim of SP having 30000 buildings over 12 stories needs a credible source, and I am pretty sure Shanghai's obvious higher average height among the four would gain it a title with a certain height. However, that is just difficult to find. I don't think Seoul has many 20 stories. Most of them looks like 8~10 stories for me. The same applies for Tokyo.

BTW, I also found the official data for Shanghai. According to it, Shanghai has 7103 buildings over 16 stories and 14081 buildings over 11 stories. It is published by the government so it is very reliable I believe.

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NYC has 88 buildings over 600 feet and Hong Kong has 71 buildings over 600 feet (plus 5 more newly completed ones so far for a total of 76).

For 200m+ (which is 656 feet), New York City is #1 in the world.

Dubai wins the #1 spot for over 800 feet, with 21 buildings (and many under construction).

Hong Kong is clearly #1 for over 500 feet, with NYC #2 by a small margin.

By comparison, there's new 2008 data of Shanghai having 847 buildings of 30 stories or more, and Emporis shows that Hong Kong has over 3,000 buildings of 30 stories or more!!!

I do not think Shanghai holds any titles in the world yet for most buildings that exceed a certain height or # of floors. In fact, Shanghai does not beat Hong Kong until the baseline # of floors is around 16-18 (probably 18 by now).

I do not know if Sao Paulo would, either, always staying behind Seoul with # of buildings over any given height/stories. Seoul probably beats Hong Kong with # of buildings over 20 floors, given the insane number of 20+ floor commieblocks for dozens of miles in valleys spread out in all directions from central Seoul.

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Old November 23rd, 2009, 09:19 AM   #244
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I have travel to Dubai and i think its winner with a large margin.They are claiming the land from sea and i dont think any other city goes near that except holand where they also claimed land from the sea
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 09:24 AM   #245
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Yeah, what I do know for sure is this:

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i have most authority shanghai highrises amount, by shanghai statistics bereau:
http://www.stats-sh.gov.cn/2003shtj/...tjnj/C1004.htm
in 2008,shanghai has highrises(above) 8 storey :16109
above 30 storey:847
20-29 storey:2763
16-19 storey:3493
11-15storey:6978
In 2008, Shanghai had:

3,610 buildings of 20 or more floors
7,103 buildings of 16 or more floors
14,081 buildings of 11 or more floors

Hong Kong has nearly 6,000 buildings of 20+ floors. Does anybody think Sao Paulo would beat HK with 20+ story buildings? I doubt it myself. Perhaps you are right that Seoul cannot either, but there are so many 20+ floor commieblocks tucked somewhere far away in the valleys near the mountains, just like with Hong Kong, around the mountainsides far away from Victoria. Seoul is just more vast, with 22 million people. Could somebody dig up a Korean site and find the data, like Oliver999 did with this Chinese government site?
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 09:42 AM   #246
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Oh Hong Kong's commie blocks are much higher than that of Seoul, but I would appreciate it if someone can dig up an official source. For commie blocks, the perception from pictures is a lot higher than it really is.

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In 2008, Shanghai had:

3,610 buildings of 20 or more floors
7,103 buildings of 16 or more floors
14,081 buildings of 11 or more floors

Hong Kong has nearly 6,000 buildings of 20+ floors. Does anybody think Sao Paulo would beat HK with 20+ story buildings? I doubt it myself. Perhaps you are right that Seoul cannot either, but there are so many 20+ floor commieblocks tucked somewhere far away in the valleys near the mountains, just like with Hong Kong, around the mountainsides far away from Victoria. Seoul is just more vast, with 22 million people. Could somebody dig up a Korean site and find the data, like Oliver999 did with this Chinese government site?
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 10:40 AM   #247
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Oh Hong Kong's commie blocks are much higher than that of Seoul, but I would appreciate it if someone can dig up an official source. For commie blocks, the perception from pictures is a lot higher than it really is.
Hmm, I guess that's true, especially if the pictures are not sharp enough or if the commie blocks are slightly elevated on mountainsides, but that could also be the case for HK. I would've never guessed HK to have nearly 6,000 buildings that are 20 or more stories tall, if I only saw pictures of Kowloon and the northern half of HK Island.

I'm gonna dig up as many Panoramio pictures of Seoul's outskirts from Google Earth, so I could have a better estimation (which is only my opinion, of course). It was fun digging up pictures of rarely-pictured areas of Singapore for posting here on the forums.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 03:34 AM   #248
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I dont think Sao Paulo (BTW the ugliest skyscraper city of the world) has the highest amount of skyscrapers over 11 floors! Im more with Hong Kong or maybe Shanghai in future!
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Old November 24th, 2009, 09:50 AM   #249
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I dont think Sao Paulo (BTW the ugliest skyscraper city of the world) has the highest amount of skyscrapers over 11 floors! Im more with Hong Kong or maybe Shanghai in future!
Hmm, what makes you think so? How many buildings would Sampa have, in your estimation? Some of the pictures of Sampa that are saved onto my drive make me think that the whole city has more of 11+ floor buildings than HK. I mean, you think that HK has more than Sampa?

About 6 million of HK people live in high-rises, but they are very tall on average (close to 30 floors).

I do not know, but I would guess that about 7-8 million of Sampa people live in high-rises of more than 11 floors. If the average height is much lower, then there has to be lots more of those buildings to hold that many people. Those buildings are also skinny, unlike Moscow's massive groundscrapers.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 04:25 AM   #250
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Old July 12th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #251
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I think it is Sao Paulo. It is an enormous density spread over an enormous area. Incredible!

The city of Curitiba alone had more than 2,000 buildings in 1999/2000, that if I understood these listings right:
http://www.ippuc.org.br/Bancodedados...a_30%20Abr.xls

http://www.ippuc.org.br/Bancodedados...20Curitiba.xls

Source: http://www.ippuc.org.br/Bancodedados...?ampliar=n%E3o
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Old July 12th, 2010, 07:35 PM   #252
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Old August 8th, 2010, 03:03 AM   #253
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One word: agreed.

São Paulo is the champion for density, for visual reason at least.

Laugh at me but really, I wonder how life is gonna be like in a city with such density...
The truth? Nothing special, I met a lot of other cities and it's the same! In fact, you just realize the size of the city from a high view! Take a look in this thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=852656

I know São Paulo doesn't have the ideal skyline, and looking from sky looks ugly. But the city is very beautiful in the street level!
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Old August 8th, 2010, 07:32 AM   #254
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I'm sure SP has a lot more buildings of ~10+ floors than HK - simple maths says so. HK buildings are on average much taller, which will also make them on average wider and deeper too with volume increasing according to all three dimensions. If HKs buildings were twice as high on average (even if skinnier) you would expect them to have between 4 and 8 times the volume. If the apartments are roughly the same size in both cities HK scrapers will contain a lot more people each. Even if 2/3 of SPs people lived in bungalos and all of HKs lived in scrapers, the difference in population and the smaller average building size would give SP comfortably more 10+ buildings.

From pictures I would guess SP, Seoul, Tokyo and Shanghai to have far more 10+ than anywhere else. With Tokyo having lots of smaller buildings and Shanghai's being taller (and so fitting more people each) I'd say 10+ is between SP and Seoul.

Shanghai will take the lead somewhere in the teens, HK when you get to near 20 floors, with NY and Dubai in contention when it gets really tall. With the lack of real figures for lower buildings you probably need to get to 200m+ before you can actually reliably count them.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 06:28 PM   #255
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coming from shanghai you will think new york is a village
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #257
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:54 PM   #258
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wow looks like NY skyline is redefining.. took me a few seconds to recognize it.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #259
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Hong Kong and NYC are leading, followed by Dubai, Sao Paulo and Shanghai.
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These will fit right in here...

New York has more than 250 buildings over 500 feet completed and topped out, respectively

300m+:
1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction (steel topped out)
2. Nordstrom Tower, 1550ft+ (472,4m+), Site Preparation (likely to exceed 1600ft)
3. 432 Park Avenue, 1398ft (426,1m), Under Construction (height not final; probably 1420ft (432m) )
4. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
5. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1337ft (407,5m), Site Preparation
6. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Site Preparation
9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed
10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved (likely to exceed 1400ft)
13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Site Preparation
14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
16. One57, 1005ft (306,3m), Topped Out
17. Equinox Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
18. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Site Preparation
19. Sherwood Tower (34th & 10th), 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
20. 34th & 8th, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
21. 138 East 50th Sreet, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
22. Grand Central Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed (likely to exceed 1700ft)

200m+: 5 U/C, 3 on hold
100m+: about 20 U/C...


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