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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:58 PM   #361
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Quite a lot of people on SSC put dozen of photos in the same post. I think that posting too much informations is useless as not all people want to read all the text/see all the photos. One single photo that everybody look is much more useful than 50 photos that nobody see.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 11:31 AM   #362
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No, they're SOS lots, because Italian shoulders are not wide enough to accomodate trucks, and they're usually not safe for cars too, because Italian motorway usually have guardrails or barriers right next to the small shoulder. But if there's no alternative for those truckers, I can understand they have to use them.

The alternative is to keep on driving and the chances of getting caught for exceeding hours of service is quite big, because of the digital tagographs they have these days. Truckers can be fined up to 4 weeks after the violation 2000 kilometers away.
Youi cannot park on the hard shoulder. The hard shoulder is an emergency lane where you drive slowly until you reach a slot or a rest area. Emergency lanes must be kept clear for the emergency respomse vehicles.

A large economy, with a dense population and montanious terrains all over a tiny country will always have some smaller rest areas. I concede it's dangerous...but not as much as a dork parking on the emergency late at night with the lights off.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #363
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A large economy, with a dense population and montanious terrains all over a tiny country will always have some smaller rest areas.
Did you even watch the video? These rest areas are just FULL, already in the early evening. Big european countries like Germany and Italy are suffering from a big lack of parking space for trucks. No, the hard shoulder is far from a safe parking space, but getting fined for some hundreds/thousands of euros by the police for driving just a little over driving time isn't fun either.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 01:53 PM   #364
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Did you even watch the video? These rest areas are just FULL, already in the early evening. Big european countries like Germany and Italy are suffering from a big lack of parking space for trucks. No, the hard shoulder is far from a safe parking space, but getting fined for some hundreds/thousands of euros by the police for driving just a little over driving time isn't fun either.
yes I did and all I can say is that it is slightly different than how it looks though. You never get to a situation where parking lots overspill because of drivers reaching their driving time limit... that's more like a traffic ban situation, probaly a night between a Saturday and a Sunaday.

I do agree that parking space is never enough and especially in those countries drawing thousands of trucks. As far as we are concerned you have to consider the rugged terrain and the fact that virtually all our borders are mountains, channelling massive international traffic on a few nbarrow valleys.

Just imagine what it feels like on the first holyday season weekend, the black sticker days when you have truck bans and the highways full of people...

But honestly, even with extra investments,, I see little chance of a dramatic improvement.

And yes, hard shoulders are not for parking.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 01:55 PM   #365
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Did you even watch the video? These rest areas are just FULL, already in the early evening. Big european countries like Germany and Italy are suffering from a big lack of parking space for trucks. No, the hard shoulder is far from a safe parking space, but getting fined for some hundreds/thousands of euros by the police for driving just a little over driving time isn't fun either.
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Sorry by "will have some smaller rest areas" I meant that "some rest area will be very tiny and will fill up in a few minutes". My bad
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Old March 21st, 2010, 03:45 AM   #366
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Chris, one of the largest freight-carriers in Brazil, Mercurio, was sold some years ago to the Dutch company TNT, and is now called TNT Mercurio.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 09:02 PM   #367
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I saw 4 trucks of Huncargo yesterday within 20 kilometers Their trucks always look very new.

Some pics of A1 motorway in central Netherlands - a major truck corridor.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #368
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Daf-Ginaf! Quite unusual and very rare sight out of the Netherlands.
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Old March 31st, 2010, 03:10 PM   #369
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Do you have anything else from Brazil to show except for googled pics? It's not a contest to post as much googled pics from Brazil in any thread as possible...
Do not be nervous !!!!!!!!! As Brazil is very big, so we have put too many pictures to show for all !!!!!!!!

When it comes to trucks, Brazil is one of the 4 largest markets in the world, then, another reason for so many pictures !!!!!!!!okay:
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Old March 31st, 2010, 03:12 PM   #370
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Do you have anything else from Brazil to show except for googled pics? It's not a contest to post as much googled pics from Brazil in any thread as possible...
Do not be nervous !!!!!!!!! As Brazil is very big, so we have put too many pictures to show for all !!!!!!!!

When it comes to trucks, Brazil is one of the 4 largest markets in the world, then, another reason for so many pictures !!!!!!!
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Fellow member Jeroen saw a long truck on the A50 in the Netherlands around 12.45 near Nijmegen, and I happened to catch the exact same truck on video around 13.15 between Arnhem and Apeldoorn.

What's interesting about this truck, is that it is 25 meters long, yet has only 4 axles. So it's load can never be too heavy. Also; a truck out of 3 sections is also a rare variant of the ecocombi.

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Old April 7th, 2010, 12:13 AM   #372
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Hmm. Reversing with that must be really tricky. I know couple of things about truck driving, but this vehicle makes me full of admiration for the driver pulling all this stuff ahead(and backwards

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Old April 8th, 2010, 06:07 PM   #373
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European trucks all look so clean and new... American trucks often looks old, rickety and rusty... (Mainly the old ones.) I guess it's because with European trucks, most of the parts are put together without many extra gaps - on American trucks, there are plenty of gaps that just aren't there on European ones.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 07:01 PM   #374
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Another ecocombi on the Dutch A28 motorway between Amersfoort and Zwolle.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 11:59 AM   #375
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Trucking has become a more and more popular way of transportation in Morocco. This started since the enlargement of motorways and the creation of highways. Spanish and Dutch trucks are widely spotted on the Moroccan autoroutes. Also a lot of trucks with a Dutch/Spanish trailer and a Moroccan licensed truck pulling it.

The boom has some "disadvantages" though, heavy truck traffic often cause traffic jams (which used to be very rare in Morocco!). Compared to European truck traffic, the amount of trucks shown in this small video is ofcourse nothing, but for African standards this is pretty "special".

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The Dutch truck various stuff to Morocco.

* flowers
* greenhouse products (also from/to Spain)
* shrimp. They catch them in the North Sea, cheaply process them in Morocco, and then haul them back to the Netherlands to sell them.

The last thing is an example of unnecessary, but apparently economic practice. I mean, driving 6,000 kilometers must cost € 2.200 in fuel alone, not to mention a trucker which cost € 15 per hour and must drive like 80 hours to get back and forth (= € 1.200). Add maintenance, tolls, and write-offs to that, and it must cost like € 4.000 to transport this stuff. But apparently it is still economic, otherwise they wouldn't do it.
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The Dutch truck various stuff to Morocco.

* flowers
* greenhouse products (also from/to Spain)
* shrimp. They catch them in the North Sea, cheaply process them in Morocco, and then haul them back to the Netherlands to sell them.

The last thing is an example of unnecessary, but apparently economic practice. I mean, driving 6,000 kilometers must cost € 2.200 in fuel alone, not to mention a trucker which cost € 15 per hour and must drive like 80 hours to get back and forth (= € 1.200). Add maintenance, tolls, and write-offs to that, and it must cost like € 4.000 to transport this stuff. But apparently it is still economic, otherwise they wouldn't do it.
I'm not sure what "Breda Transport" transports, but they sure do have a lot of trucks going back and forth. I actually think they are the largest Dutch transport company in Morocco.
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Yeah, they're a company from Tilburg (not nearby Breda, strangely) and drive mainly to North Africa, including Morocco, Libya, Tunesia and Algeria.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 04:19 PM   #379
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Daf-Ginaf! Quite unusual and very rare sight out of the Netherlands.
I've never even heard of that make. Must me a very small/specialized truck manufacturer.

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Hmm. Reversing with that must be really tricky. I know couple of things about truck driving, but this vehicle makes me full of admiration for the driver pulling all this stuff ahead(and backwards
Can't tell from the pic if it's one straight truck, two trailer, or if it's one tractor (semi) and three trailers. If it's the latter, it's not intended to be reversed. In either case, the driver will most likely just separate the trailers. Here in Canada, I HAVE seen skilled drivers reverse a B-Train (two trailers).
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Old May 27th, 2010, 01:03 AM   #380
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Box truck + 2 trailers. (well, those aren't actually trailers but I don't know the correct english word for it...)

And Ginaf is just the specialisation of DAF in construction materials like tipper trucks, mixers, etc. The cabin is just exactly the same as a regular DAF.
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