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Old January 10th, 2011, 10:47 PM   #461
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These cabs should be allowed in Europe too! Time to remove the tight total length restrictions.
I hope not!
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Old January 10th, 2011, 10:56 PM   #462
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Sad site. People don't know what they're talking about (as usual). I was mainly talking about larger cabs to allow truckers to have more living space.

The anti truck lobby are a bunch or stupid unrealistic whiners. The same type of people who complain the most if things are not in stock at the supermarket.

We need larger trucks. They're more economical and slash truck movements by 30%. Switzerland itself is the least environmentally sensible country in Europe when it comes to trucking. Their tolls are so high that 30% extra mileage is still cheaper than driving through Switzerland.* They think the trucks switch to rail, but in reality they simply drive longer distances, burn more fuel and emit more pollutants to bypass the ridiculous tolls in the country. The Swiss truck toll is two times higher than in Austria, 3.5 times higher than in Germany and 4 times higher than in Italy.

* On the Frankfurt - Milano route (600 km) it is cheaper to drive via München and Verona (950 km). That's 350 more truck kilometers due to the Swiss tolls. The Austrians are very thankful for that.
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Old January 10th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #463
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Sad site. People don't know what they're talking about (as usual). I was mainly talking about larger cabs to allow truckers to have more living space.
I was unsure about the sense of your phrase, also because I can't see pictures from this computer.

But this doesn't change the basic idea that megatrucks are still dangerous: they are not intented for local distribution, for longer trips, it's better to send semitrailers or containers alone by train or by ship (even on inland waterways, like the Netherlands do, with a very good 40% share or so).

For a Frankfurt-Milano trip a truck could use the Freiburg-Novara RoLa, or sending only the semitrailer (that would be better if only there was a higher clearance on swiss and italian railways).

Anyway even the ASTAG (swiss truck lobby) and some italian truck drivers, as I can read, oppose because of both the cost to adapt roads and the loss of working places.
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Old January 10th, 2011, 11:34 PM   #464
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The Swiss truck toll is two times higher than in Austria, 3.5 times higher than in Germany and 4 times higher than in Italy.
But for a comparable lenght (Basel-Chiasso, 300 km) it's still less than the combination A40+T1 Mont Blanc+A5 or A43+T4 Fréjus+A32.
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Old January 10th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #465
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Most anti "mega trucks" people suggest that these mega trucks are a problem. Why are these a problem? They will be limited to major routes, mostly motorways and industrial areas. You really will not find them supplying your local supermarket or driving through your residential street or school zone. Hence, the "problems" are hugely blown out of proportion. It really doesn't matter if you pass an 18.5 m or 25.25 m truck on the motorway.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 12:20 AM   #466
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That's another the problem - they are in competition on long distance routes, and for these trains and ships are better. On these distances the train can be competitive - some services like Hupac proves that.
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So, what's wrong with market economy? Let them truckers roll!

If rail freight was really that competitive, you wouldn't need weight/length restrictions on trucks.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 12:28 AM   #468
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Old January 11th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #469
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So, what's wrong with market economy? Let them truckers roll!

If rail freight was really that competitive, you wouldn't need weight/length restrictions on trucks.
Rail freight suffer of lack of capacity on some lines (Germany, parts of the Gotthard and Brenner railway), difference of gauge obliging to tranship goods (Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Finland, ex-URSS), small loading gauge and excessive Eurotunnel tolls (Britain), inefficiency and auto-sabotage by railways themselves (Italy), lack of competition (France, partly Italy)...all problems unknown by road (except saturation).

When these restrictions doesn't apply rail can sometimes be cheaper, even when one would not think so, like a France-Barcellona grain traffic switching from road to rail in Canfranc (near the Somport tunnel), because it is cheaper, even if from Canfranc onwards there are very good roads or motorways, and before the horrible french N134.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 05:20 AM   #470
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It's true that in America the larger trucks are most common on highways and do not directly drive to most supermarkets. For that, smaller trucks similar in size to trucks common in Europe (but still shaped like the larger trucks) are used.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 12:54 PM   #471
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Back on a computer with a decend connection I can post some curiosities I have seen. Photos are of a bad quality but still curious.

A truck rescuing another truck.


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A trailer carrying a "crane" (I don't know the exact word) to hel unloading the truck.



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Short trailer, but with three axles. May it be one of the extensible trailers sfor containers?



Single axle trailer.



And finally a trailer with a strange wheel arrangement.

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Old January 15th, 2011, 08:56 PM   #474
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Old January 16th, 2011, 03:07 PM   #475
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Old January 16th, 2011, 05:58 PM   #476
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Yes, but these forklifts are especially made to be transported on the back of the trailer. I know the dutch word for it, which is kooiaap (litterally translated: cagemonkey ) I know they're often used here for distribution to hardware stores.

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Short trailer, but with three axles. May it be one of the extensible trailers sfor containers?
Looks like a normal 20ft container chassis, but I don't know about the weird thing in the front of the trailer. Looking at the position of the axles, I don't think it will be extensible.

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I hope not!
Allowing larger cabs (with same trailer sizes) won't hurt the train and shipping sector. But even with larger trailers, as already said, it's called market economy. But I don't think it's usefull to discuss that with you.

Cabover or torpedotrucks don't make the difference btw: If I could choose between a torpedotruck with small sleeping compartment or a cabover with 2 meters of extra space I'd definitely would choose the last.

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Old January 16th, 2011, 06:52 PM   #477
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I think maximum lenght has already been increased from ~17 to 18.75 m. Is this true also for the motor vehicles or only the complex tractor+semitrailer?
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18.75 m is only for auto trailers. Regular semi-tractor + trailer is still 16.5 meters.
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Any combination of box-truck + small trailer is allowed to be 18.75 long, not just car trailers. Generally this means a increase of 1.60m in loading length (15.20m vs. 13.60m for regular semitrailers).
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Yes, you're right. However, this does not really increase the amount of tonnage I believe. First you cannot transport long elements and the small distance between the box truck and the trailer cannot be used for storage, which means the effective loading space doesn't increase very much.
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