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Old November 28th, 2008, 12:14 AM   #41
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you mean like this:

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Old November 28th, 2008, 01:04 PM   #42
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It's illegal to pay truckers less than Dutch minimum wage. The Dutch minimum wages were quite extraordinary for Poles back then.
But it's according to the law when you set up a company in Poland and you will pay drivers (let's say 1300euro gross per month) which is standard in Polish conditions.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 01:06 PM   #43
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It was about € 400 month (2006 wages). It's quite a complex story, it is indeed allowed to "borrow" Polish drivers temporary, but they did it permanent by putting aside Dutch truckers. Hence, they have to be paid according to Dutch minimum wages, which they didn't.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #44
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those are definitely not suitable for Europe, also those which Chris showed are not neither. they are not only too long (it is not that problem, although it is because european loading docks are often at impossible narrow places), but they are much too heavy. trucks shouldn't weight over 40 tons never.
Why limit to 40 tonnes, if you're trying to be efficient and therefore make the best use of resources why place an artificial limit ?? In the UK the main reason increases in vehicle carrying capacity are limited is because the rail freight industry objects. This creates artificial inefficiencies only to suit another industry competitor. If you do want to reduce the numbers of trucks on the road help them do the job better, not make artificial problems.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:20 PM   #45
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Another problem is this style of poles in turns in low speed areas. Almost impossible to negotiate with trucks on narrow streets. These type of poles are extremely common in urbanized areas in the Netherlands
thats strange...
why dont the authorities weight-restrict these areas?

with smaller trucks it would be much more simple to deliver goods in city centers...
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:22 PM   #46
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smaller trucks means more trucks, hence more pollution and truck movements.

They have a huge amount of truck time limitations already in place, so trucks rush into the city centers in the timeframe they are allowed to enter.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:53 PM   #47
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Why limit to 40 tonnes, if you're trying to be efficient and therefore make the best use of resources why place an artificial limit ?? In the UK the main reason increases in vehicle carrying capacity are limited is because the rail freight industry objects. This creates artificial inefficiencies only to suit another industry competitor. If you do want to reduce the numbers of trucks on the road help them do the job better, not make artificial problems.
because everyhing over 40 tomes destroys roads incredibly. even normal lorries up to 40 t destroy it, and with 50% + it is disaster! for heavy freights there are railways.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:56 PM   #48
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It depends on axle load. (except on bridges, where total tonnage is an issue)
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of course. but i doubt that you can expect lower axle load at those monsters that you have shown comparing with normal lorries
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thats wrong.

not the overall weight but the axle-weight is what counts...

with many many axles a truck can haul very heavy loads without damaging the roads...
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:02 PM   #51
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smaller trucks means more trucks, hence more pollution and truck movements.

They have a huge amount of truck time limitations already in place, so trucks rush into the city centers in the timeframe they are allowed to enter.
Yes this is true, but what about bigger trucks maybe a bigger chance for acidence and traficjams. ....It´s only a thought.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:05 PM   #52
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40 tonnes at 5 axles or 60 tonnes at 7 axles.
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yeah, now i've been counting it and 60t tandem with 7 axles would have only 600 kg per axle more than classical tandem with 5 axles. i thought that difference was larger.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:28 PM   #54
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Yes this is true, but what about bigger trucks maybe a bigger chance for acidence and traficjams. ....It´s only a thought.
Well, as stated earlier, modern truck engines produce 600+ horsepower, so they won't be any slower than a regular lorry. And it's certainly no more difficult to overtake 2 25-metres than 3 18-metres. Accidents? Well, as long as their brakes are good enough (which they are, similar trucks have been hauling heavy loads, particularly lumber, for decades in Sweden), it shouldn't be too much of a problem. However, one might consider restricting their use to suitable roads - motorways, dual-lane carriageways, decent 2-laners. Just my two cents.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:42 PM   #55
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They are restricted to major roads only in the Netherlands. For instance, they are not allowed to be used for supermarket distribution (we don't have hypermarkets on large lots like in France or Poland).
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:46 PM   #56
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The most common truck country I see in the Stockholm area is the Netherlands, I would say. Tons of those around all the time on the freeways.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #57
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Old November 28th, 2008, 07:15 PM   #58
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Interesting thread.

Well here in Mexico, being a trucker is a huge subculture. Due to Mexico's ineffective and limited railway system (most lines were built in the late 1800's and early 1900's), more than 70% of all goods are transported by trucks.

Mexico is a big country too. We have more than 178,000 kilometers of paved roads, of which more than 6,000 are expressways. Plus there are an additional 200,000 kilometers of unpaved roads, which mostly lead to small villages and towns and trucks make their way there too, because of the absence of railway lines.

Being a trucker in Mexico is one of the better paid, yet most dangerous and consuming jobs any mexican, especially unschooled, can do. That is because the only thing needed here to drive a truck is knowing how to read, having a trucker license, and having the capacity of spending sometimes 3 or 4 consecutive days of continuous driving, in order to meet the goals required by the truck companies.

The road is a very dangerous place here, too, especially if you are a trucker. Criminal organizations must get paid a fee from companies for every truck on the road, unless of course they want to get assaulted and ripped off the merchandise. Federal Police also must get a piece of the pie to let old trucks circulate through expressways and main roads.

Apart from that, trucks are the kings of the road. Due to our proximity to the USA, Mexican roads are comparable to theirs in terms of size and tonnage. Trucks have no problem getting around everywhere within city limits, with the exception of old parts of downtown or residential zones.

Most major mexican cities have the necessary infrastructure to support any kind of truck, and that makes people scared of them, especially because they often drive with no regard for speed limits or lane restrictions.

One of the main concerns of the public regarding trucks and their drivers, is the famous "pericazo", common term known for the pills and other drugs most truckers take in order to stay awake for long periods of time (sometimes as long as a week) in order to make more money by driving more hours and make more deliveries. Since distances in Mexico are big, time is money, and truck drivers know it. This of course causes accidents once in a while, when the trucker's senses are not 100%. Authorities do nothing because they get paid by the truckers or companies to allow them to save costs by not hiring two drivers per trip.

If you want to have a glimpse of a mexican trucker's life, with some mexican road pictures and scenarios, please watch this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYvBj8bfXgk

By the way, the song's name is "As a trucker that I am"... Typical mexican vernacular music. Talks about the hardships lived on the road, especially when leaving the loved woman at home...

It says something like this: "... As a trucker that I am, I work on the road, diesel runs through my veins,.. because I am in love with her, I am always remembering her, I meet many preety woman, but because I need to come back to her love, I try not to go out of the road.."
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Old November 28th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #59
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More like delivering flowers. I live near a florist's shop and I often see trucks with Dutch license plates there. It totally occupies a bus station.
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