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Old March 11th, 2016, 09:01 AM   #581
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4 billion South Korean won equals about 2.99 million euros.
The linked article mentions this price is per car (per train would not make sense). So including the 10% undercut an 8 car train would cost around 21.5 million euros, compared to about 30 million euros per set for comparable European trains.
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Old March 11th, 2016, 10:03 AM   #582
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Perhaps related to the issue above (i.e. pricing), from last year:
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Hyundai Rotem, Korea's leading railway vehicle maker, is seeing faltering growth in the face of falling domestic demand and intensifying competition from foreign rivals, especially from China Railway Rolling Stock Corp. (CRRC).

Hyundai Motor's affiliate reported a 13 billion won ($11.5 million) operating loss in the first half of the year.

Its operating profits in 2014 were 6.6 billion won, down from 174.4 billion won in 2013. Sales have been falling in recent years.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...23_189346.html
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*I remember reading an article from a while back that Seoul Metro was threatening to take an order to the Chinese if Hyundai didn't lower their prices. Poor Hyundai is being squeezed, being stuck between the low ball bidding Chinese makers and the high end Euro/Japanese makers...
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Old March 11th, 2016, 03:09 PM   #583
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Kind of a statement about Korean industry generally: squeezed between the Chinese, who are doing to Korean companies what a lot of Korean companies did to Japanese companies about a decade ago, and the Japanese and Europeans, compared to whom Korean companies still lag slightly in technology, or at least in perceptions of quality.

I suppose, then, that it might be taken as a good sign for corruption reasons that Korail isn't going easy on Hyundai Rotem, but it does seem slightly at odds with the government's desire to foster Korea's rail industry. Maybe that this is an EMU will help any export chances.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 07:55 AM   #584
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Aerial photo of Suseo station taken 2 days ago. It's funny how the station has a small footprint (if you compare it to Seoul Station or Yongsan Station). The main reason is that most of the station, and the vast majority of the line itself, will be underground.

Also, the land next to the station on the picture will be developed (residential, industrial...), further linking Seoul and Seongnam



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Old March 31st, 2016, 08:11 AM   #585
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This video has a nice CG image of the station, around 3:45. It also appears GTX trains will also be using this line.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 12:04 PM   #586
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News from the HEMU-430X (3rd Generation KTX)

Up to the end of last year, HEMU has accumulated 120 000km of test trials without accidents.

Korail plans to keep testing and improving the train for the next 4 to 5 years before commercializing it in Korea around 220.

HEMU has a top speed of 430 kph, (only 330 for the previous iterations of KTX), and its operating speed will be 370 kph (300 for current KTX). The should cut the Seoul-Busan journey to around 90 minutes, while it's over 2 hours now. HEMU will carry 100 more people than KTX Sancheon, and its acceleration / braking abilities will be much better as well (important since stops are frequent on KTX lines, so accel/decel is as important as top speed, if not more).

The technology is developed integrally in South Korea, mainly by Hyundai Rotem. Hemu doesn't only target the domestic market, but is also a proof of concept for Hyundai Rotem to offer it to other countries.

Here are some photos from the test trial they had this morning with journalists (also, journalists reported that the whole ride was quite rocky with lots of vibrations, which people running the train were aware. They replied that it would all be resolved by 2020) :





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Old April 6th, 2016, 03:55 PM   #587
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I still wonder about the rail infrastructure. It's only built to 350kph-spec, if memory serves, so it's going to need to be upgraded if they intend 370kph service speeds, although it's quite doubtful if that speed will ever be reached outside of a Seoul-Busan express.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 04:17 PM   #588
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Reckon that the regular Busan-Daegu-Daejeon-whoknows-Seoul services would reach 370, they currently reach top speed for a fair distance so a newer train with faster acceleration could manage easily. IMO they need to separate out the high speed new trains as express services and leave the older trains doing the weird stops as Gyeongju and Ulsan?
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Old April 9th, 2016, 08:47 AM   #589
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According to news reports the top speed of the press run was 303km/h, which is essentially the current top speed range for revenue runs. The problem with this trainset is that it is over spec for the existing infrastructure, and it is 30% more expensive per car than the KTX Sancheon trains. Unless the tracks, and most importantly, the signaling system are upgraded at considerable cost, there is no economic incentive for Korail to run these units instead of the more economic KTX train sets. The existing signaling system, which apparently is a mix of the French TVM and Italian Ansaldo systems, can only handle top speeds of 300km/h measured over an hour. This is probably why Rotem wants to sell the lower speed HEMU 250 train sets to Korail in order to get a record of running high speed EMU train sets in revenue service(and quickly, rather than several years down the line), and use that to market to potential foreign buyers.
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Old April 9th, 2016, 01:36 PM   #590
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good idea
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Old April 9th, 2016, 02:57 PM   #591
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Although I understand that Hyundai-Rotem is a private enterprise and Korail is not, it seems so strange that they'd be this out of step with one another. Obviously, Rotem would like to expand their market by selling overseas, and we know that the development of a domestic rail industry to produce exports is on the Blue House's list of things to do. Considering that, it's very odd that Korail wouldn't try to keep pace with Rotem in order to develop the domestic industry together, or--alternately--it's very odd that Rotem wouldn't focus on building the trainsets Korail needs failing the government's willingness to work with it towards disparate goals with mutually-beneficial outcomes.

Something's going to have to change if the Korean rail industry is ever to be anything other than a curiousity for us Koreaphiles.
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Old April 24th, 2016, 09:18 AM   #592
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Update on the construction of the Suseo Station. The KTX line is scheduled to open in August






http://blog.naver.com/bigstar102/220679086732

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Old May 3rd, 2016, 08:37 PM   #593
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Number of high-speed passenger


Passengers in KTX HS trains (millions), source: National Bureau of Statistics South Korea
Passengers-kilometers in KTX HS trains (billions), source: Statistical yearbook of railroad 2015 (very big data!, page 84)



Passengers and Passengers-kilometers world data, and explanation of the fact that the operators and the UIC count -in some cases- the number of passengers on high-speed trains, not on high-speed lines.
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Old May 21st, 2016, 07:20 AM   #594
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From Kojects:

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Trial Operations Begin on Seoul’s New High-Speed Rail but Opening Pushed Back Again
21st May 2016




Map of SRT routes to Mokpo and Busan

Opening of the new 61.1km long Suseo high-speed railway has been delayed until the end of the year while further reinforcement construction is carried out at one of the future stations.

On April 25, the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport announced that due to cracks found in the future GTX station at Yongin, reinforcement would need to be carried out and construction was expected to take two to three months. The line was originally scheduled to open in August this year, but will instead open in November or December

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From Railway Gazette:

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http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/n...peed-emus.html

Hyundai Rotem selected to supply Korail high speed EMUs
23 May 2016



SOUTH KOREA: National rail operator Korail has selected Hyundai Rotem to supply 30 high speed electric multiple-units for the Gyeongjeon Line linking Busan and Masan, which is due to open in 2020. Korail expects to sign the 102bn won contract in the next week

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KORAIL announced that they will work on a new R&D project to develop the double-decker high speed train aund put in service by 2023. This news clip shows how the double-decker KTX looks like:

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Old May 25th, 2016, 02:12 AM   #597
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Kind of surprised; it looks like they're going to do the double-decker as a development of the KTX-II chassis, instead of using the newly developed EMU trains. Maybe that's for concern over the newness and untested nature of them.
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Suseo KTX Station

The line is scheduled to open in November or December




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Doubling of the Gyeongbu KTX line between Pyeongtaek and Osong

When the high-speed rail line opened between Seoul in Pyeongtaek, the line was able to handle all the traffic, and the full separation of the regular and HSR line in Daegu and Daejeon (last year) has improved the situation further. However, new branches / lines have opened since, most notably the Honam KTX Line, but also the Jeolla Line (the Yeosu), the Gyeongjeon line (to Jinju) and Donghae line (to Pohang). And starting from december, what maybe the most important extension beyond the Jeolla line will open : the Suseo HSR to South East Seoul. This addition of lines will create a bottleneck at the section where all the line will meet, between Pyeongtaek and Osong (see the 2nd map).

With KTX, but also regular ITX or Mugunwha service, the line will be overloaded, especially because of slower trains that hold up traffic. On this 46.5km section, once the Suseo line opens, some trains will have to run at only 170kph instead of the full 300. The line can service only 145 trains a day, and the opening of the new line will bring the total of daily trains to 150. Travelling to 170kph isn't the end of the world, especially since it's a fairly short section and many trains stop at either Cheonan or Osong and don't go full speed anyway, but this bottleneck would prevent development of new direct KTX service to Suwon Station or Incheon Station (I probably mentioned these projects in previous posts).

So part of the reason is the limitation of the speed on a portion of the line, but the bigger reason is the ability to deliver additional service to Incheon / Suwon directly (or other places in the future).

So, the KTX lines will be doubled between Pyeongtaek and Osong (from 2 to 4), allowing the the number of daily trains would go from 150 to a full 290, more than enough for current and future needs).

Construction is scheduled to start next year and everything should be completed by 2023.





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I imagine that there will be a whole lot more rail service--both offered and used--all over the country, once this project is complete. Sudogwon has also been the congested area in South Korea's rail network, so pairing future national network improvements with this particular capacity increase seems destined to further increase rail's popularity as a mode of transit.
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