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Old April 13th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #101
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Oops, why the driver seat is not in the middle position of the window? It cut a big part ov vision, although I know that it is not as fundamental as for other vehicules... It seems that the driving place has not designed in relation with the new exterior design... Like if it was wade for the old TGV with two windows... Strange. The rest looks very fine. But here obviously, there is something i don't understand...
I think it seems particularly narrow because of the angle. Korail required the driver's cab be similar to KTX(different from HSR-350x, the prototype of KTX-II, which has a digitalised and centered gauge board) so that KTX driver could operate KTX-II without problem.


Driver's cab of HSR-350X




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Old April 13th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #102
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I wonder why KTX still use Electric Locomove Unit?
That kind of train is not suitible for hilly suitation of South Korea!
This is the Age of EMU!

Because south korea don't have EMU-type high speed train and KTX doesn't have any problem to run 300km/h on this mountainous land because most of railways is not up-hill, rather it run through elevated or tunneled railways and KTX's gradability is, even if there's up-hill, enough to climb it. It's sure that EMU High-speed train is the current trend but not a must-have.
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Old April 14th, 2009, 03:59 AM   #103
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This is the Age of EMU!
It's good it's not an emu, locomotive trains are better.
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Old April 14th, 2009, 10:27 AM   #104
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I wonder why KTX still use Electric Locomove Unit?
That kind of train is not suitible for hilly suitation of South Korea!
This is the Age of EMU!
As you can see on this page, the next generation of Korean high speed trains, the HEMU-400 has an EMU design.

The KTX-II is based on the HSR-350x and that was based on the original KTX, that was an Alstom designed TGV. So it's just an outcome of a development that was started by the Korean Railway Industry to become the next country to develop a High Speed Train. Now with the HEMU-400 they can start to develop a new train that is not indirectly based on another train.
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Old April 14th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #105
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As you can see people the Korail launched they future model the HEMU 400X and theres no locomotive like KTX 1 AND 2 its EMU type that the driver seat is also on the passenger cab. Well the target year for this HEMU 400X is on 2012.
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Old April 14th, 2009, 11:12 AM   #106
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I can see the HEMU 400X is also can run in trunk line.
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Old April 14th, 2009, 07:20 PM   #107
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Who decided that TGVs don't count as electric multiple units and why?
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The cars that form a complete EMU set can usually be separated by function into four types: power car, motor car, driving car, and trailer car. Each car can have more than one function, such as a motor-driving car or power-driving car.

* A power car carries the necessary equipment to draw power from the electrified infrastructure, such as pickup shoes for third rail systems and pantographs for over head systems, and transformers.
* Motor cars carry the traction motors to move the train.
* Driving cars are similar to a cab car, containing a driver's cab for controlling the train. An EMU will usually have two driving cars at its outer ends.
* Trailer cars are any cars that carry little or no traction or power related equipment, and are similar to passenger cars in a locomotive-hauled train. On third rail systems the outer vehicles usually carry the pick up shoes, with the motor vehicles receiving the current via intra-unit connections.
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Old April 15th, 2009, 10:32 AM   #108
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It's good it's not an emu, locomotive trains are better.
Is this your opinion or fact?
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Old April 15th, 2009, 10:33 AM   #109
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KTX II 's front is way better than the first (well duh) the first KTX I frontal design is too dated.
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Old April 15th, 2009, 10:36 AM   #110
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Who decided that TGVs don't count as electric multiple units and why?
Maybe because the configuration is that of a Push-pull.

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Push-pull is a mode of operation for locomotive-hauled trains allowing them to be driven from either end. A push-pull train has a locomotive at one end of the train, connected via multiple-unit train control, to a vehicle equipped with a second control cab at the rear of the train. In the UK the control vehicle is referred to as a Driving Trailer or Driving Van Trailer (DVT), while in the USA they are called cab cars. Alternatively, the train may have a locomotive at each end.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 08:05 AM   #111
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http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news55708.html

South Korea Trials High-Speed Trainset
20 May 2009

The new high-speed KTX-II trainset designed by Hyundai Rotem for Korail to run on the Seoul–Daegu line is undergoing a six-month testing programme for passenger approval.

The 35m-long KTX-II train built by MBD Design in Korea is currently being exhibited in the main station of Seoul to showcase the front end and exterior, first and second class interiors, the bar area, toilets and vestibules to passengers.

The first of 19 trainsets developed by Hyundai Rotem for testing received 90% passenger approval.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 04:42 AM   #112
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High speed trains with a local flavour


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SOUTH KOREA: The first of 19 KTX-II high speed trainsets built for national operator Korail by Hyundai Rotem is currently undergoing a six-month testing programme before entering service on the Seoul – Daegu line.

The roll-out of the train last November marked the end of a long journey for the MBD Design team which styled the train both internally and externally. The journey began three years ago when a Rotem engineer approached us at an interiors exhibition. Rotem and Korail were looking for a respected industrial design agency to create proposals for the KTX-II - Korea’s first locally-produced high speed trainset; the original KTX sets were export versions of the French TGV.

After winning a competitive bidding process, MBD Design was given a simple brief: to create a modern and trend-setting train, while offering Korean travellers a familiar and comfortable atmosphere.

This led to a detailed study lasting a year and involving almost 3 000 h of design work, including 18 trips to Korea which were partly aimed at ensuring MBD’s staff gained a better understanding of Korean culture and passengers’ travel habits.

MBD worked closely with representatives from Hyundai Rotem and Korail to create a process management system. A design committee that included local academics and designers then helped the Korail and Hyundai management to assess the different options put forward by MBD.

Our team endeavoured to ensure no stone was left unturned. Every interior item and all the ‘secondary spaces’ went through a thorough examination in terms of ergonomics and overall aesthetics.

The study in turn resulted in the construction of a 35 m long full scale mock-up, built in Korea under MBD Design’s direction. The mock-up showcased the proposed front end and exterior, first and second class interiors, the bar area, toilets and vestibules, giving an overall impression of the vehicle.

The mock-up was exhibited in the main station in Seoul, and a number of customer surveys were undertaken to assess the public response to it. The design met with an encouraging 90% approval rating.
Relaxation is important

The first class saloon evokes a traditional Korean library, using warm tones with wood panelling, indirect lighting and a generally luxurious and cosy atmosphere. Korean business travellers often see a journey by rail as a welcome pause in their hectic working lives - South Korea has among the longest working hours in the world, and as a result sleeping passengers are a common sight on Korail’s inter-city services.

Second class is in many respects no less quiet and relaxing, thanks to its soft grey tones and, again, the use of indirect lighting, an almost mandatory feature in modern long-distance trains. In both classes, the carpets and seat fabrics were inspired by traditional Korean graphics, modernised and used in subtle forms of ‘grey on grey’: passengers will notice them if they look closely, but they are in no way intrusive.

The seats, supplied by Daewon, are a significant part of the design, using a gently curved shape to enhance the feeling of softness and relaxation. A softer blue colour is used to differentiate the bar area, which was shaped to offer a sense of dynamism, reflecting the fact that passengers will spend relatively little time there.

The toilet facilities were intended to be functional with a strong focus on ease of cleaning to ensure a continually hygenic environment.

In the end, we feel that Korail and Hyundai Rotem can be proud of the result: a modern high speed train that retains the traditional hallmarks of its distinctive country of origin.

Stéphane Pottier
Industrial Design Director, MBD Design
It's always said that KTX-II will run on Homan Line (Seoul - Gwangju or Seoul - Mokpo) this year, but according to this article it will run on Seoul - Daegu. I don't know which is correct.
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Old June 4th, 2009, 05:46 PM   #114
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Looks a bit like the AGV :S
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Old June 5th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #115
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HEMU-400X Mock-Up Photos






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Old June 30th, 2009, 06:49 AM   #116
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Any update of picture about KTX II?
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Old June 30th, 2009, 12:12 PM   #117
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Pity they didn't keep Alstom DNA in HEMU-400X, as going back to classical bogies (even with distributed traction) is I think step back then the TGV jacobs bogies and articulation due to the advances they bring. If they'd follow the route of AGV (distributed traction with articulation) then it would be a (technical) step forward, now it's only a classical (though goog looking) EMU.

Distributed traction may look appealing (as many say locos are not funky), but then again HST with distributed traction can not be duplex (at least not all the way) as you need to store all the electronics gear somewhere).

I think that TGV Duplex is the smartest thing there is, but doing it with distributed traction would either be impossible or it would have duplex and single-floor sections (as it was done in V150 trainset which was duplex but with additional AGV powered bogies).
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Old June 30th, 2009, 10:44 PM   #118
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Old June 30th, 2009, 11:26 PM   #119
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It's not related to KTX-II, but don't want to make another thread.

Cheonan-Asan station is the only station where you can see KTX passing station with almost full speed.






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Old July 1st, 2009, 08:46 PM   #120
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Any update of picture about KTX II?
Not many pictures because it's still on trial test.

This link
has some pictures of KTX-II.
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