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Old February 26th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #101
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I see Citaro is a big hit in Europe. well it's a beautiful bus. i understand it's expensive also.

We in Israel have older Mercdes Benz buses operated by Egged.
O405 made by local Ha'argaz or Merkavim. Egged sold few buses to Poland and Bulgaria (operated in Varna) and anew their fleet with Man.















the new next to the old




also Mercedes Spritner for little alleys


few 0405 in Metro Dan company. Bought from Egged.




In Poland.
i don't know if they operate in Poland now becouse the European Union regulations does not allow Euro 1 buses to operate in their territory.
i'd like to hear from poles in this forum if they have details about these buses in their land.










new paint (i don't understand why the poles painted the bus if they not going to use it)


new padding


before the padding



few coaches
MB O404. pretty old. i don't like it.
Mercedes 0404










Mercedes OC 500.
i like it but drivers say it's not good bus to drive.



Mercedes-Benz O303.
many of them were sold to Russian company Mostranstvo which operate buses in Moscow area.



in Russia










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Old February 26th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #102
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Why do some countries have their own bodies built on mercedes chassis?
This is all speculation, but I can think of several reasons.

In countries where labour costs are lower than in Germany, having buses bodied locally ought to be cheaper than buying a complete vehicle from Mercedes. And in Brazil the Mercedes chassis are made domestically as well.

Secondly, operators may be under political pressure to buy from domestic manufacturers. In countries where local manufacturers do not produce complete buses (for instance Israel or Australia), or where operators do not think that domestic products are good enough, buying chassis from a foreign manufacturer and having them bodied locally would be an expedient compromise.

Another possibility is that operators might have very specific requirements in terms of layout and body design which local coachbuilders will be more willing to accommodate.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 11:26 PM   #103
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@gag halfrunt

the buses in singapore have bodies that are more often than not from overseas. hispano from spain, volgren from australia, and gemilang from malaysia to name a few. i dont know if its cheaper. perhaps so, but i prefer to imagine it might be a matter of product differentiation. but i really dont know.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 12:17 AM   #104
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Mercedes-Benz do Brasil sold complete buses and coaches (up to the O371 series I guess) with their own brazilian made bodywork until the ´90s.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 06:41 AM   #105
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Why do some countries have their own bodies built on mercedes chassis?
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This is all speculation, but I can think of several reasons.

In countries where labour costs are lower than in Germany, having buses bodied locally ought to be cheaper than buying a complete vehicle from Mercedes. And in Brazil the Mercedes chassis are made domestically as well.

Secondly, operators may be under political pressure to buy from domestic manufacturers. In countries where local manufacturers do not produce complete buses (for instance Israel or Australia), or where operators do not think that domestic products are good enough, buying chassis from a foreign manufacturer and having them bodied locally would be an expedient compromise.

Another possibility is that operators might have very specific requirements in terms of layout and body design which local coachbuilders will be more willing to accommodate.
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Mercedes-Benz do Brasil sold complete buses and coaches (up to the O371 series I guess) with their own brazilian made bodywork until the ´90s.
I was going to answer, but I am late

Anyway, I'll give some examples from Brazil: In São Paulo city, where I live, there are three main coachbuilders: Marcopolo, Busscar, and CAIO/Induscar, and other dozen, such as Ciferal, Neobus, Comil, and others. So, I think it's better for us to build our own bodies on Mercedez or others chassis. And we also build them to other countries. The main example of it is Marcopolo.

Linnea2, I'm used to see some O371 and O400 (both are monobloc) sometimes. They still operate in some charter (can I use this term in this case?) lines.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 06:49 AM   #106
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Marcopolo Viale - Mercedes-Benz O500MA







CAIO/Induscar Mondego HA - Mercedes-Benz O500UA





















CAIO Alpha - Mercedes-Benz OF1620



CAIO Alpha - Mercedes-Benz O400UPA



CAIO Apache S21 - Mercedes-Benz OF1730





CAIO Apache S21 - Mercedes-Benz OF1722M



CAIO Apache VIP - Mercedes-Benz OF1722




CAIO Millennium - Mercedes-Benz O400UPA



CAIO Millennium - Mercedes-Benz O500MA









CAIO/Induscar Mondego H - Mercedes-Benz O500M




Busscar Urbanus - Mercedes-Benz O400UPA


Busscar Urbanuss - Mercedes-Benz OF1721


Busscar Urbanuss Pluss - Mercedes-Benz O500MA

















Busscar Urbanuss Pluss - Mercedes-Benz O500M



Marcopolo GranViale - Mercedes-Benz O500MA




Marcopolo GranViale - Mercedes-Benz OH1115 Low Entry


Marcopolo Torino GV - Mercedes-Benz O371UL


Marcopolo Torino GV - Mercedes-Benz O400UPA








Marcopolo Torino GV - Mercedes-Benz OF1722M


Marcopolo Viale - Mercedes-Benz OF1722M


Marcopolo Viale - Mercedes-Benz OF1721



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Old February 27th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #107
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How many Brazilian cities operates with articulated buses ?
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Old February 28th, 2009, 07:29 AM   #108
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The cities below operates with articulated buses

São Paulo metropolitan region, São Paulo state
São Paulo
Santo André
São Bernardo do Campo
Diadema
Mauá

Other cities in São Paulo state
Sorocaba
Campinas
Itu
São José dos Campos
Americana
Araras

Paraná state
Curitiba
Maringá
Ponta Grossa

Santa Catarina state
Florianópolis
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Blumenau
Canoinhas

Rio Grande do Sul state
Porto Alegre
Caxias do Sul
Pelotas
Santa Maria
Santa Cruz do Sul
Canoas
Viamão
Alvorada


Minas Gerais state
Belo Horizonte
Uberlândia
Uberaba
Juiz de Fora

[b]Other cities (states are written between parenthesis)[b]
Recife (Pernambuco)
Vitória (Espírito Santo)
Brasília (Distrito Federal)
Goiânia (Goiás)
Campo Grande (Mato Grosso do Sul)
Manaus (Amazonas)
Maceió (Alagoas)

And the cities below operates with bi-articulated buses too:
São Paulo
Curitiba
Goiânia


Source: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=713124 (in portuguese)
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Old February 28th, 2009, 08:00 AM   #109
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All non-european mercedes buses are damn ugly!
Yes I agree, specially american ones!
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Old February 28th, 2009, 02:55 PM   #110
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Thank you mqts.
Mercedes-Benz was established in Argentina in 1951, being their first plant located outside Germany. There were many local bus body makers too; to date there are some 15 such as Metalsur, Sudamericanas, Troyano, Italbus, Metalpar, Ugarte, etc. Some of the Mercedes integrals used here in the ´50s and ´60s were imported types like the O 6600 H, O 6600 T, O 321 H and the brazilian monoblocos.
The articulated buses are just appearing here, most noticeably on Buenos Aires city route 132, bodied by Metalpar on O500UA platforms.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 06:35 PM   #111
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About Polish Mercedeses Merkavins in Poland they were modernisided in Solce Kujawski. And brought into service on Piaseczno (a satelite city near Warsaw) Express Line, but on 14-th January 2009 the line banqurouped. Now those buses (painted in new yellow Mobilis's Liverty) are a reserve fleet in Krakow.
http://phototrans.eu/14,288612,0.html <- my own photo of #4.
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Mercedes Benz from some cities of Greece in alphabetical order

ATHENS

Mercedes-Benz - Unicar U90 / ΕΛ.Β.Ο. C93.405N (Not For Long)


Mercedes-Benz / ΕΛΒΟ C97.405N (Three Doors)


Mercedes-Benz / ΕΛΒΟ C99.405 (Two Doors)


Mercedes-Benz / ΕΛBO O405GN


Mercedes - Benz O405N



LAMIA

Mercedes Connecto
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LARISSA

Mercedes Citaro



THESSALONIKI

Mercedes-Benz Citaro2 "O530G"






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