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Old April 26th, 2011, 04:13 AM   #621
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This is the new BR-448 Rodovia do Parque, an alternate route to BR-116 near Porto Alegre, that is completely congested. The last picture is the intersection with the BR-290, where it will begin/end I really would like to see it going south through a new bridge over Guaíba River, the old one is a shame.

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Old April 26th, 2011, 05:53 AM   #622
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Old May 8th, 2011, 03:03 AM   #623
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Old May 9th, 2011, 08:48 PM   #624
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Those grade-separated U-turns are a remedy for the fact Brazil has only 510km of fully access-controlled AND grade-separated highways. Farms, local neighborhoods, industrial estates all use roadside direct access, creating traffic hazards as those entrances/exits are well below standards.
You know very little of Brazil to talk about it !!!!!!!!!!!


I would say almost nothing ................
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Old May 9th, 2011, 08:53 PM   #625
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Where is this road ??????????!!!!!!!!!!!

It must be the interior of Brazil

I discovered, is in Rondonia State in the Amazon, too far from the city that I live, maybe 2500km..................
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Old May 9th, 2011, 09:44 PM   #626
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You know very little of Brazil to talk about it !!!!!!!!!!!


I would say almost nothing ................
You know very little about me. I've accumulated dozens of thousands of km driven there on the course of years. And I, again, stand by my statement: only the following highways fulfill ALL the following requirements for most of their extension:

- controlled access (most Brazilian 2x2 roads have countless of substandard urban access and even farms with direct access from the highway, something that disqualifies them as highways)

- grade-separated (many Brazilian 2x2 roads have at-grade U-turns, and even junctions designed as elliptical roundabouts

- absence of interference with the right of way (countless highways have pedestrian crossings - at grade -, speed bumps and other unacceptable interferences)

The only Brazilian highways that consistently fulfill the 3 aforementioned requirements are, in no particular order

- BR-290 Porto Alegre - Osório
- SP-348 São Paulo - Cordeirópolis
- SP-160 São Paulo - São Vicente
- SP-280 São Paulo - Espírito Santo do Turvo
- SP-21 São Paulo ring road
- SP-70 São Paulo - Caçapava
- BR-116 Curitiba ring road (eastern section only)

BR 448, just shown 4 posts above, will be another addition to that list.

And NO other one. I challenge you to prove in a reasonable way that Brazil has other roads that fulfills those internationally recognized standards. Most of them are disqualified on having side accesses to estates and buildings directly connected to them, something you DON'T find in what we usually call highways. They are expressways.
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Old May 9th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #627
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Brazilian highways interferences and substandard desing

I wrote it 2/3 times already, so this is the kind of substandard design and interference I'm talking about. They, IMO, disqualify such roads as "highways".

Farm access right into the highway, no acceleration lanes


Local road that ends into the highway, dangerous access




Farm roads, 90-degree access into the shoulder.


Central U-turn, you need to slow down in the left lane and reenter the opposite direction on the left lane or cross, dangerously, the left lane to stay on the right


Local neighborhood, no junction, just a precarious access, no secondary access but from the highway


Roundabout T-junction, lack of collector lane (it is unpaved and has been taken over nearby properties) speed limit 60 km/h


Dangerous at-grade junction, speed bumps on the highway
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Old May 10th, 2011, 02:46 AM   #628
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That's what I always say, the Brazilian roads are very bad.
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You know very little about me. I've accumulated dozens of thousands of km driven there on the course of years. And I, again, stand by my statement: only the following highways fulfill ALL the following requirements for most of their extension:

- controlled access (most Brazilian 2x2 roads have countless of substandard urban access and even farms with direct access from the highway, something that disqualifies them as highways)

- grade-separated (many Brazilian 2x2 roads have at-grade U-turns, and even junctions designed as elliptical roundabouts

- absence of interference with the right of way (countless highways have pedestrian crossings - at grade -, speed bumps and other unacceptable interferences)

The only Brazilian highways that consistently fulfill the 3 aforementioned requirements are, in no particular order

- BR-290 Porto Alegre - Osório
- SP-348 São Paulo - Cordeirópolis
- SP-160 São Paulo - São Vicente
- SP-280 São Paulo - Espírito Santo do Turvo
- SP-21 São Paulo ring road
- SP-70 São Paulo - Caçapava
- BR-116 Curitiba ring road (eastern section only)

BR 448, just shown 4 posts above, will be another addition to that list.

And NO other one. I challenge you to prove in a reasonable way that Brazil has other roads that fulfills those internationally recognized standards. Most of them are disqualified on having side accesses to estates and buildings directly connected to them, something you DON'T find in what we usually call highways. They are expressways.
I repeat, you know nothing of Brazil, I've traveled many roads in Brazil, because I am Brazilian and I know what I mean, not only to share some pictures of roads, but if you think you're right, all right, but you're wrong !!!!!!!!!!!
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That's what I always say, the Brazilian roads are very bad.
You always say the wrong things.................
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Old May 10th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #631
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I repeat, you know nothing of Brazil, I've traveled many roads in Brazil, because I am Brazilian and I know what I mean, not only to share some pictures of roads, but if you think you're right, all right, but you're wrong !!!!!!!!!!!
WOuld you mind to elaborate on how my arguments, backed with pictures from Google Satellite, are wrong?
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Old May 10th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #632
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Old May 13th, 2011, 02:56 AM   #633
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You always say the wrong things.................
That is why Brazil is underdeveloped, people prefer not to see reality.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 02:58 AM   #634
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WOuld you mind to elaborate on how my arguments, backed with pictures from Google Satellite, are wrong?
Stallite it´s not working... Hehehehe
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Old May 13th, 2011, 04:11 PM   #635
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You know very little about me. I've accumulated dozens of thousands of km driven there on the course of years. And I, again, stand by my statement: only the following highways fulfill ALL the following requirements for most of their extension...)

They are expressways.
Could´t we count Linha Amarela and Linha Vermelha as "controled access highway"?
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Old May 13th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #636
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I , i have almost no time i managed to scan some parts owever the quality is sucky.

here's a sample:



if thats ok i can upload a lot more. and zoom some parts they are ok.
Here you can find a lot of maps of the state of São Paulo in different patterns of quality and detailment.

http://www.der.sp.gov.br/documentos/mapas.aspx
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Could´t we count Linha Amarela and Linha Vermelha as "controled access highway"?
Indeed, it is missing from my list.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 08:10 PM   #638
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That is why Brazil is underdeveloped, people prefer not to see reality.

And what is your country as developed?? or is it broke, how many?

I know what I speak, I know the shortcomings of Brazil, more than you, but will not want to give a lesson in foreign development, want to know which country you are, then we can talk, ok?
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Old May 14th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #639
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Here state of Minas Gerais

http://www.der.mg.gov.br/mapa-rodoviario
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Old May 16th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #640
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Indeed, it is missing from my list.
I would also include MG-010 (Linha Verde, from Belo Horizonte to Lagoa Santa Junction. The last few kilometers to the Intl't Airport is older and have two or three U-turns) and, according to those requirements you posted, Belo Horizonte Ring Road (although the geometry is very bad, so I don't think it should count).
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