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Old June 13th, 2006, 04:43 AM   #61
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And on the Amazon "motorway building", it is completely unecessary, there is a very efficient (though slow) boat system through its rivers, and I think that there is only a need to link the cities that are really to far, or are easier to reach by car o bus, like Belém, Rio Branco or Porto Velho.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 04:46 AM   #62
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Old June 13th, 2006, 04:48 AM   #63
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Old June 13th, 2006, 04:50 AM   #64
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Rio-SP is officially 6 hours, but you can do on 5 (if you drive like a maniac...)
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Old June 13th, 2006, 05:04 AM   #65
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I swear, I´ve never tried!!! Not to São Paulo, but to Barra do Piraí... I drove like a maniac on Via Lagos motorway, I got 160 with my 1.0 car...
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Old June 13th, 2006, 05:24 PM   #66
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Only in São Paulo State...

Almost 3,000 km only in the State of São Paulo. In entire Brazil, 7.000 km.
Sorry. Actually, according to DNIT(PNV 2004), the current data are:

State of São Paulo: 5.788 km complete + 138 in construction = 5.926 km
Brasil (including São Paulo): 9.999 km complete + 1.051 km in construction = 11.050 km

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Old June 13th, 2006, 08:25 PM   #67
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Thanks Rogerio!!! So there are going to be 11.000 km... nice!!! I think (according to Wikipedia) that is 2 times more in Italy! And the same number as Germany!!!! However, 4 times less than China... and less than in Australia.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 09:37 PM   #68
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9,999.1 km interesting number. Looks like reliable source.
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Thanks Rogerio!!! So there are going to be 11.000 km... nice!!! I think (according to Wikipedia) that is 2 times more in Italy! And the same number as Germany!!!! However, 4 times less than China... and less than in Australia.
I think in Italy is sth like 8 - 9,000 km, not sure, I couldn't find length on www.autostrade.it, but at least they also have it in English at last! I wasn't searching long though.

Well, China... but you know, there's 1.3 billion of them.

Australia definitely has less freeways/motorways than Brazil! It 'only' has sth like 4,000 km at best I think. But there's no need for much more of them there.
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Old June 14th, 2006, 12:59 AM   #69
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Rio-SP is officially 6 hours, but you can do on 5 (if you drive like a maniac...)
Youre right, my timeframe was usign a bus, which goes much slower.
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Old June 14th, 2006, 03:02 AM   #70
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9,999.1 km interesting number. Looks like reliable source.

I think in Italy is sth like 8 - 9,000 km, not sure, I couldn't find length on www.autostrade.it, but at least they also have it in English at last! I wasn't searching long though.

Well, China... but you know, there's 1.3 billion of them.

Australia definitely has less freeways/motorways than Brazil! It 'only' has sth like 4,000 km at best I think. But there's no need for much more of them there.

Well, the italian information I took from Wikipedia (so, it is not THAT reliable source), however, I know that the Autostrade per l´Italia (if you want some translation from italian to english, I can help you ) manage something like 2.000km or a little bit more, and they manage the great part of italian´s motorways. I will take a look on the website, if I can find some information. The australian info I took also from Wikipedia, and I really don´t know what kind of source they used, for example, if they´ve considered the urban expressways. If they have, Brazil´s number will at least double, because cities like Curitiba, Salvador, Brasília, São Paulo and Campinas are made basicaly of urban expressways (not like America or Canada, but I think that perhaps more than the majority of the european cities, speccially because the european cities are, obviously, older than brazilian cities). And I will tell you something for sure, here in Brazil we need to build at least more 10.000km of expressways just to fill up the needs of the country. For example, Brasília and São Paulo (that are something like 1.500 km away from each other) are still not linked entirely through a expressway, it goes from São Paulo to Uberlândia (state of Minas Gerais, on the region that we call the "Mineiro Triangle"), and is only a two lanes from Uberlândia until Luziânia, more than 500 km, and only in Luziânia (100 km from the entrance of Brasília, still on Goiás) that the motorway is going to be four lanes again. However, there are some works on the Northeast to build the Northeastern Corridor (like I sad before), to link, in a 5-7 years time, Natal and Salvador (away more than 2.000km from each other) trough a four lane motorway. Here is a map from the motorways that are going to have the manage from the private sector, this is going to be completed, I guess, in max. 5 years time, and the vast majority of those motorways are going to be at least four lanes (I think that 80% of it, the single lane are going to be only the less crowded). It is in portuguese, if you want, I can translate to you.

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Old June 14th, 2006, 03:07 AM   #71
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Here is the website from Autostrade per l´Italia, it is italian, but I saw here that they manage 2854,6 km, and more something like 500 km from others autostrade companies. : http://www.autostrade.it/gruppo/index.html?initPos=1
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Interesting! I gotta go to sleep now, it's 3.30am in Europe!
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Thanks for free translations , but I pretty much understand everything. As I can see the Italians are finally widening the freeway Milan(o) - Como/CH to 6 lanes and Bergamo - Milan(o) to 8 lanes! That's cool since I drive there from time to time.
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Old June 14th, 2006, 09:57 PM   #74
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Rio-SP is officially 6 hours, but you can do on 5 (if you drive like a maniac...)
They look so close to each other when you look at a map too lol.
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Old June 14th, 2006, 10:31 PM   #75
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Btw, what's the English expression for the region around the Amazon river? I know the river is called Amazon, but what about the region around it? Is it called Amazonia as I keep calling it or sth else? I mean, we're not talking about highways in or over the river lol, but the whole region.
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Btw, what's the English expression for the region around the Amazon river? I know the river is called Amazon, but what about the region around it? Is it called Amazonia as I keep calling it or sth else? I mean, we're not talking about highways in or over the river lol, but the whole region.
In Portuguese, that region of the country is called "Norte" north. This would be the US equivilent of "midwest" or "northeast" regions. The biggest state is simply called Amazonas and the region might be Amazonia.

This map clarifies that




However the amazon itself extends into Mato Grosso (literal translation: thick forst) and Goias.
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and the region might be Amazonia.

However the amazon itself extends into Mato Grosso
Ok, but this doesn't go together! I'm like.. 100% sure that the Amazon river doesn't flow through Mato Grosso and on the other hand you're saying that you'd use name 'Amazonia' for the region.
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Thanks for free translations , but I pretty much understand everything. As I can see the Italians are finally widening the freeway Milan(o) - Como/CH to 6 lanes and Bergamo - Milan(o) to 8 lanes! That's cool since I drive there from time to time.


No problem at all mate! (sorry for the mate, but I lived in London... lol!!!). So, we have a motorway system in São Paulo state (formed by four motorways, two of them parallel to each other, running for something about 200km) that is formed by a 8 lane motorway (for 60 km) called Bandeirantes Motorway, I think is one of the widest here in Latin America (if it is not THE widest), so, in Italy they are doing the same that we did here. I know the Milan-Como motorway, it is really nice to drive there, the landscape is gourgeous!!
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Old June 15th, 2006, 04:48 AM   #79
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yeah mate, so when are we getting married?

Sure, the Milan(o) - Como is a nice one, a completely different story than Trieste - Milano. Ok, Monfalcone - Milano to be precise.
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Thanks for free translations , but I pretty much understand everything. As I can see the Italians are finally widening the freeway Milan(o) - Como/CH to 6 lanes and Bergamo - Milan(o) to 8 lanes! That's cool since I drive there from time to time.





No problem at all mate! (sorry for the mate, but I lived in London... lol!!!). So, we have a motorway system in São Paulo state (formed by four motorways, two of them parallel to each other, running for something about 200km) that is formed by a 8 lane motorway (for 60 km) called Bandeirantes Motorway, I think is one of the widest here in Latin America (if it is not THE widest), so, in Italy they are doing the same that we did here. I know the Milan-Como motorway, it is really nice to drive there, the landscape is gourgeous!!

Also the is Anchieta-Imigrantes sistem, that conecties São Paulo to the coast (Sanos, São Vicente, Peruibe, Praia Grande....) has 6 lines in each sense (at the plateau) and 5 during the hole sistem and all the lines are versatile; what means that the sistem can work at 10:0 ,8:2 ,7:3 ,6:4 ,5:5 ,2:8 ,3:7 ,4:6 ,0:10 (this kind of thing is usually used on holidays for up and down operations).
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