CHANNELSIDE | The Martin | Two 24 story towers | 261 feet | 650 rental units | APR - Page 4

FloridaFuture · May 5th, 2009, 01:03 AM

Yeah, I think it looks pretty good. Looks better then the Towers at Channelside, but of course that's not hard to do.

Looks better then the older Martin design as well.

One thing to note, as you can see in the first rendering the towers look a little bit different. Notice the southern face of each building

This project will cover much of that ugly parking garage in Grand Central that faces North, along with hopefully the A/C units on top of Grand Central from the North.

Jasonhouse · May 5th, 2009, 01:25 AM

I kinda agree about the cantilever look... I think the cantilever effect should either continue to the ground on the north side, or not be there at all.

I also wish the whole mass was comprised of two taller, thinner towers (along the N/S axis) so that this thing doesn't look like a cartoonish 450x300ft slab from afar from most vantage points.

smiley · May 5th, 2009, 06:29 PM

crap - they should be farther to the south of the lot and narrower - good thing they will probably never get built

DShenise · May 5th, 2009, 07:02 PM

Oh, I think it'll get built, just not anytime within the next five years. They had to go bulky on it because slim and elegant costs money. If it costs money you have to charge more. If you have to charge more, you get fewer potential buyers.

Now, not to say that Grand Central and Ventana, the Slade and the one across from the Aquarium parking lot are cheap because they are low and boxy. The developers just had those units GROSSLY over priced. My guess is the profit margin on those were in the 40% range. Once everyone gets done getting screwed with their pants on over everything down there, things will stabilize. Honestly, one bedrooms in most of those buildings ought to be selling for the $180s and honest two bedrooms (meaning every bedroom having a window) should be in the $250K and up range. The neighborhood is interesting, but so is Hyde Park, so there is a ton of competition around especially with the smaller number of single urban professionals those units are targeted at.

Quegiebo · May 11th, 2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smiley

crap - they should be farther to the south of the lot and narrower - good thing they will probably never get built

Agreed!!!!!

AKBTampa · September 15th, 2011, 07:44 PM

Not sure if this project is going forward, but they are demolishing the current Crane & Co. building at Twiggs and Meridian today.

Del Mayberry · September 15th, 2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AKBTampa

Not sure if this project is going forward, but they are demolishing the current Crane & Co. building at Twiggs and Meridian today.

And will that be good riddance? Is it an ugly old building?

TampaMike · September 15th, 2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AKBTampa

Not sure if this project is going forward, but they are demolishing the current Crane & Co. building at Twiggs and Meridian today.

Not sure either. I sent an email to Urban Studios, so hopefully we can get some more information.

Del Mayberry · September 15th, 2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaMike

Not sure either. I sent an email to Urban Studios, so hopefully we can get some more information.

Good luck with attempting to get a response. The condo that was proposed there is more than likely dead. It will either be another parking lot or another cheesy apartment plan coming up.

Jasonhouse · September 16th, 2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaMike

Not sure either. I sent an email to Urban Studios, so hopefully we can get some more information.

They won't respond.

The original project that they worked on is way dead. The land was sold earlier this year for just over $2 million... What's notable there is that the last sale of this parcel was for $31.5 million!

koopalicious · September 16th, 2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

The original project that they worked on is way dead. The land was sold earlier this year for just over $2 million... What's notable there is that the last sale of this parcel was for $31.5 million!

It wasn't a sale. The land last sold in 2005-06.

tampaguy75 · September 17th, 2011, 02:14 AM

I heard a rumor, today, that a hotel is going in there... The person I spoke with said he thinks it will be a type of "extended stay" (i.e. Mainstay hotel). If true, I hope it doesn't look like a typical suburban extended stay.

TampaMike · September 17th, 2011, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Del Mayberry

Good luck with attempting to get a response. The condo that was proposed there is more than likely dead. It will either be another parking lot or another cheesy apartment plan coming up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

They won't respond.

The original project that they worked on is way dead. The land was sold earlier this year for just over $2 million... What's notable there is that the last sale of this parcel was for $31.5 million!

Likely correct. Yet to receive an email from them.

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Originally Posted by tampaguy75

I heard a rumor, today, that a hotel is going in there... The person I spoke with said he thinks it will be a type of "extended stay" (i.e. Mainstay hotel). If true, I hope it doesn't look like a typical suburban extended stay.

We will get that or another building with multiple colors like Grand Central and Seaport. Once something is brought up about what's going on there, I'll send an email. Will anything happen from my email? Likely not. But I'm not going to complain while I had no input.

Jasonhouse · September 18th, 2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by koopalicious

It wasn't a sale. The land last sold in 2005-06.

I'm simply going by the public record on the property appraiser's site.
http://www.hcpafl.org/CamaDisplay.as...Y000001000010A

koopalicious · September 18th, 2011, 04:17 AM

Yeah, it's just a warranty deed. The website tends to list all actions as sales.

AKBTampa · September 18th, 2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Del Mayberry

And will that be good riddance? Is it an ugly old building?

Nope, gorgeous building, was given a beautiful renovation in 2000 by Gaspar. Looks like they are trying to salvage as much from the building as possible

Photo from www.tampachanging.com

Building in 1930 from Burgert Brothers

Del Mayberry · September 18th, 2011, 07:06 PM

Oh that building. Ok. I'm confused. Are they tearing it down completely? What do you mean by salvaging in this case? Thanks for the pics btw.

Jasonhouse · September 18th, 2011, 10:28 PM

Saving the components of the building to be reused... Gotta take it down differently than if you just used a backhoe to knock it down.

Del Mayberry · September 18th, 2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

Saving the components of the building to be reused... Gotta take it down differently than if you just used a backhoe to knock it down.

Ok I get it. I hate to see old buildings go, but it looks out of character with Grand Central next to it. And speaking of Grand Central, the units for sale are now 50% off the presale price. The original buyers must really feel screwed.

smiley · September 18th, 2011, 11:00 PM

IT appears the sale is just a formality sold between tow entities owned by the same people - probably for some financing and liability reasons.

The demolition doc is signed for the new owner by Ken Stoltenberg - who is Mercury Advisors/Grand Central guy

May 5th, 2009, 06:29 PM	#63
smiley Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,097 Likes (Received): 0	crap - they should be farther to the south of the lot and narrower - good thing they will probably never get built __________________ Do I contradict myself? Well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. I don't pretend 'cause I don't care.

May 5th, 2009, 07:02 PM	#64
DShenise Designer, 1404designs Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Santa Monica Posts: 1,133 Likes (Received): 0	Oh, I think it'll get built, just not anytime within the next five years. They had to go bulky on it because slim and elegant costs money. If it costs money you have to charge more. If you have to charge more, you get fewer potential buyers. Now, not to say that Grand Central and Ventana, the Slade and the one across from the Aquarium parking lot are cheap because they are low and boxy. The developers just had those units GROSSLY over priced. My guess is the profit margin on those were in the 40% range. Once everyone gets done getting screwed with their pants on over everything down there, things will stabilize. Honestly, one bedrooms in most of those buildings ought to be selling for the $180s and honest two bedrooms (meaning every bedroom having a window) should be in the $250K and up range. The neighborhood is interesting, but so is Hyde Park, so there is a ton of competition around especially with the smaller number of single urban professionals those units are targeted at. __________________ "... holding your breath till you turn blue is not consistent with the judicial temperament" David Frum.

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smiley Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,097 Likes (Received): 0	IT appears the sale is just a formality sold between tow entities owned by the same people - probably for some financing and liability reasons. The demolition doc is signed for the new owner by Ken Stoltenberg - who is Mercury Advisors/Grand Central guy __________________ Do I contradict myself? Well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. I don't pretend 'cause I don't care.

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May 5th, 2009, 01:03 AM	#61
FloridaFuture Former Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tampa/Gainesville Posts: 5,234 Likes (Received): 0	Yeah, I think it looks pretty good. Looks better then the Towers at Channelside, but of course that's not hard to do. Looks better then the older Martin design as well. One thing to note, as you can see in the first rendering the towers look a little bit different. Notice the southern face of each building This project will cover much of that ugly parking garage in Grand Central that faces North, along with hopefully the A/C units on top of Grand Central from the North.

May 5th, 2009, 01:25 AM	#62
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,271 Likes (Received): 8	I kinda agree about the cantilever look... I think the cantilever effect should either continue to the ground on the north side, or not be there at all. I also wish the whole mass was comprised of two taller, thinner towers (along the N/S axis) so that this thing doesn't look like a cartoonish 450x300ft slab from afar from most vantage points.

September 17th, 2011, 02:14 AM	#72
tampaguy75 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 205 Likes (Received): 0	I heard a rumor, today, that a hotel is going in there... The person I spoke with said he thinks it will be a type of "extended stay" (i.e. Mainstay hotel). If true, I hope it doesn't look like a typical suburban extended stay.

September 18th, 2011, 04:17 AM	#75
koopalicious Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 409 Likes (Received): 4	Yeah, it's just a warranty deed. The website tends to list all actions as sales.

September 18th, 2011, 07:06 PM	#77
Del Mayberry Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 495 Likes (Received): 0	Oh that building. Ok. I'm confused. Are they tearing it down completely? What do you mean by salvaging in this case? Thanks for the pics btw.

September 18th, 2011, 10:28 PM	#78
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,271 Likes (Received): 8	Saving the components of the building to be reused... Gotta take it down differently than if you just used a backhoe to knock it down.