ZAGREB - construction update

SinCity · December 11th, 2003, 05:15 AM

Thanks to my friend Alberto, and with a bit of research, there are now a number of towers on the rise in central Zagreb Croatia, focused on the 2 main streets of Savska & Vukovarska.

Currently next door to the existing 22 storey Cibona tower, work is nearing completion of Stage 1 of the HOTO Business Tower which will house Croatia Telecom. Work has reached level nine, but the original height of the tower which was to be at 21 storeys, may be scaled back to 15 stories due to a stuff up in the number of underground car spaces. After many years, Cibona Tower will have a new neighbour .....

HOTO Business Tower - 32 Savska, Zagreb

Work was approved last month for the construction nearby of 2 commercial towers on Vukovarska Ulica. One tower will be 12 storeys, while the second will be double its size at 25 stories.

However, the best is yet to come. Zagreb may in fact allow for Europes tallest tower at 376 metres & at a whopper 104 stories under proposal to be built. Although I am sceptical of such a huge building rising above the old Hapsburg quarter of Zagreb.

Here is the link to the story courtesy of ALBERTO, the article unfortuanetly is in Croatian .....

http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=175354

The rise in building permits recently for such towers has caused a crisis in Zagreb City Council which is rushing to finalise a master plan for the CBD. Zagreb City Council up until last month was anti-highrise, but has given into demand by local developers and foreign investors.

Old neighbour Cibona Tower (22 storeys) .......

Cibona Tower, Hotel Opera, Arts and Crafts Museum

Old friends - Zagrebcanka & Cibona Towers

SinCity · December 11th, 2003, 05:51 AM

Silouette of another tower under plan in Zagreb. Due to the number of proposals and construction in the nearby vicinity, Croatia Railways is to build a new station "City" to service new workers and residents ...

Link (In Croatian)
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/11/...s/uzhoto5.html

SinCity · December 11th, 2003, 06:27 AM

In Croatian .......

Duž Savske i Vukovarske - Zagrebaèki Wall Street
Hoto toranj bit æe visok kao i onaj Cibonin, Mamiæ i Kordiæ gradit æe twinse od 12 i 25 katova, na križanju Vukovarske i Heinzelove u proljeæe poèinje gradnja 22-katnog Zagrebtowera, a neboder od dvadesetak katova u Vukovarskoj priželjkuje i Erste Bank
Usvajanje detaljnih planova ureðenja dijelova Savske i Vukovarske ulice u èetvrtak, na sjednici Gradske skupštine, samo je potvrdilo ono što neki arhitekti veæ duže vrijeme govore, a to je, da bi se na nekim dijelovima duž tih ulica trebale graditi visoke poslovne zgrade.
Tim je planovima ureðenja, koje umjesto lokacijske dozvole propisuje novi GUP, investitorima Zdravku Mamiæu i Josipu Kordiæu dopuštena gradnja dvaju nebodera, tzv. twinsa, visokih 12 i 25 katova na križanju Vukovarske, Luèiæeve i Humboldtove ulice.
Tomo Horvatinèiæ smjet æe, umjesto traženog 21 kata, nastaviti graditi svoj Hoto toranj u Savskoj do 15 katova, èime bi se Hoto izjednaèio s Ciboninim tornjem, djelom arhitekta Marijana Hržiæa. Zanimljivo je da je Hržiæ projektirao i Mamiæeve i Kordiæeve twinse.
Dakako, sama gradnja neæe poèeti prije nego što proðe osam dana, odnosno prije nego što odluka Skupštine iziðe u Službenom glasniku. Tada investitori mogu zatražiti izdavanje graðevinskih dozvola, koje, pak, oèekuju do kraja godine.
Glavni nadzorni inženjer Hoto tornja Božo Blaževiæ kaže, da æe se odmah pristupiti pripremnim radnjama i traženju novih suglasnosti za daljnjih sedam katova zgrade na kojoj veliki radovi stoje još od ljetos. Gradnja æe trajati cijele zime, kaže Blaževiæ, zahvaljujuæi montažnoj tehnologiji gradnje. U gradnju 15-katnog nebodera sa 270 parkirališnih mjesta u podzemnoj garaži ulaže se, saznajemo, oko 50 milijuna eura.
Osim ovih, u medijima èesto spominjanih nebodera, Savska i Vukovarska mogle bi dobiti još tri poslovna nebodera i time postati hrvatska poslovna èetvrt, poput Wall Streeta na newyorškom Manhattanu.
Naime, detaljni plan dijela Savske predviða još jedan neboder i to od 25 katova, u dvorištu sadašnje Pivnice Medvedgrad. To je, meðutim, tek prijedlog izraðivaèa plana i tek bi trebalo provesti arhitektonsko-urbanistièki natjeèaj za to podruèje, koje je sada u privatnom vlasništvu.
Gradnja Zagrebtowera, poslovnog nebodera sa 22 kata arhitekta Otte Bariæa, na križanju Vukovarske i Heinzelove trebala bi, pak, poèeti na proljeæe, nakon izdavanja graðevinske dozvole, što je u tijeku.
Izgledna je i izgradnja poslovne zgrade Erste&Steiermärkische Bank od oko 25 katova u Vukovarskoj, i to kao nadogradnja postojeæe graðevine izmeðu Fakulteta elektronike i raèunarstva i tzv. Galiæeve stambene zgrade. Kako se i ovdje radi o važnom gradskom podruèju, novi GUP i tu propisuje izradu detaljnog plana ureðenja, što je investitor, Erste Bank, veæ zatražio u Zavodu za planiranje razvoja grada.

December 11th, 2003, 11:35 AM

amazing wow

Alberto · December 11th, 2003, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinCity
Silouette of another tower under plan in Zagreb. Due to the number of proposals and construction in the nearby vicinity, Croatia Railways is to build a new station "City" to service new workers and residents ...

Link (In Croatian)
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/11/07/Pages/uzhoto5.html

Yea, but what is with proposals for the Europe biggest tower in the 2008 in the Zagreb and 10-th biggest in the world?

SinCity · December 12th, 2003, 12:53 AM

Yep, I'll have to look into this new 104 level tower. It would stand out like something crazy. I'm not too sure if Zagreb City Council will allow it. They have a hard time approving buildings taller than 20 levels.

My guess is the developer is using a trick to get the council to approve something close to that height, but not exactly that height. We'll keep an eye on this project as its just early days.

Anyway the good thing for Zagreb is that several towers are under construction or will begin construction in the new year. So far this is the new count

15 level "HOTO" Business Tower housing Croatia Telecom
12 level Stage 1 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins"
25 level Stage 2 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins"
22 level "Zagreb Tower"
25 level Erste & Steiermärkische Bank Tower
25 level tower on the site of Medvedgrad Brewery

bziherl · December 13th, 2003, 12:19 AM

Wow, I read in that croatian article that Zagreb might build more than 300 meters tall skyscraper! That's amazing! What are the chances for that to really happen in a near future?

It looks like Zagreb will get many new great buildings soon! Cool!

Schroedinger's Cat · December 13th, 2003, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bziherl
Wow, I read in that croatian article that Zagreb might build more than 300 meters tall skyscraper! !

Wow, amazing !!
That would be the tallest in Europe !!

SinCity · December 15th, 2003, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikael

Wow, amazing !!
That would be the tallest in Europe !!

Indeed Mikael & Bziherl, this new tower under proposal would make it Europe's tallest skyscraper and also the world's 10th tallest skyscraper. Here are some facts .......

Levels - 104!
Height - 376 metres
Completion - 2008 if everything goes OK.
Design - Rumor has it that it will look similar in design to Deutsche Bank Tower in Frankfurt.

Currently a suitable site is being looked at and the proposal in being taken into consideration with architects and engineering meeting with the builders of similar towers such as the Petrona's.

So how serious are they? They seem very serious and currently have a number of jobs, including under construction in Zagreb of the 21 level HOTO Business Tower.

There is demand in Zagreb for more commercial space as the former anti-highrise city council has changed their tune much to the whinging of companies seeking new space and developers.

If it does get knocked back, and it may, there certainly will be a huge new tower close as possible to that height built, if not at lease a couple of 50 level towers.

SinCity · December 15th, 2003, 04:38 AM

Work finally begins on Zagreb's (Croatia) latest commercial high rise ..... ZagrebTower.

The 22 level tower with a shorter 8 level tower has begun.

I love the eliptical design of the tower & floorplates

here are a few renders and links .........

Zagreb as the Croatian metropolis is well on its way to become a major turntable of Southeast Europe.
Situated in the immediate vicinity of the city center, the office project ZAGREB TOWER will decisively influence the future face of ZAGREB

The Location on Radnicka Cesta provides excellent links to higher-level traffic systems. It lies withhin 10 walking minutes from the railway station and the airport is reached in about 25 minutes by car.

Links .........

Online Hausverwaltung & Immobilientreuhand AG
http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/D...ndex=4&tabid=4

Zagreb Tower
http://www.zagrebtower.com/

Kommandant Mark · December 15th, 2003, 06:55 AM

Niice!!
I hope they build many more new buildings in Zagreb

BTW, is this "Novi Zagreb"(New Zagreb) in the background?

SinCity · December 15th, 2003, 08:03 AM

Here is another 15 level tower that is to commence shortly on the intersection of Vukovarska/Heinzelova Streets Zagreb. The site has already been cleared for construction ......

The property is located on one of the most attractive sites in the center of Zagreb. The surrounding area consists primarily of offices and includes Chromos Business Tower and the headquarters of Euroherc insurance firm. It is easily accessible both by car and public transport.

Currently the property comprises empty land with an area of 12.055 sq.m. The investor has already demolished the building which formerly existed on the site and has been granted a location permit to build an office complex with 40.000 sq.m. of leasable area. The future complex will include a 15-floor office tower on Vukovarska with an area of 15.000 sq.m. and adjacently on Heinzelova an 8-floor office building of 25.000 sq.m. There will be parking on two floors below ground with an entrance from Vukovarska and exit onto Heinzelova.

Based on the existing project this complex will offer some of the best office space in the city finished to the highest standards and with its attractive design will no doubt become one of the symbols of Zagreb. The investor is a renown international construction company which is willing to sell or lease space in the complex but only in segments no less than 5.000 sq.m.

Link .....
http://www.spillerfarmer.hr/ponuda/p...k_heinz_en.htm

Mantas · December 15th, 2003, 12:35 PM

Cool project and good news for Zagreb

I like that tower

Aleks011 · December 15th, 2003, 04:19 PM

If someone showede me that picture, i would have sworn that it was a project in the neighbourhood of rotterdam i live in... background looks very similar to dutch city suburbs..

ZAGY · December 15th, 2003, 06:31 PM

But Zagreb have nice modern buildings. Importane center, National library, Importane Gallery, Zagrebcanka tower, Cibona Tower, Sheraton Hotel all that buildings are pretty impressive.

bziherl · December 15th, 2003, 11:12 PM

Cool Tower!

Love the eliptical design!

Polskafreak · December 15th, 2003, 11:38 PM

Very nice and modern design!

SinCity · December 16th, 2003, 01:33 AM

The Croatian capital of Zagreb is riding a construction boom of mid-rise commercial and residential towers. Here are some construction pics of HOTO Business Tower as its nearing completion.

HOTO Business tower was intended to be 21 levels, then Zagreb City Council chopped it down to 9, however after some intervention, the tower was allowed to hit 15 levels. The main reason was a lack of enough underground car spaces. The tower is still under negotiation to be built up to 21 levels.

HOTO Tower is to house Croatia Telecom .......

Pics, thanks to a friend ...........

Kommandant Mark · December 16th, 2003, 02:36 AM

What is the point of city council not approving a 21 floor building, and getting it down to NINE?

Most residential buildings these days, anywhere you look in the world, are at least 20 floors high.

Never could understand these things - and I hope they never happen in Belgrade, otherwise im gonna go blow up the "city council"

Building design looks great - what does the area around it look like? (photo?)

SinCity · December 16th, 2003, 07:42 AM

Here is another development for Vukovarska Street that will start in 2004. These are the 2 twin towers which were originally meant to be 30 levels, both @ 138m. They will now vary in height ......

More to come later

December 11th, 2003, 05:15 AM	#1
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	ZAGREB - construction update Thanks to my friend Alberto, and with a bit of research, there are now a number of towers on the rise in central Zagreb Croatia, focused on the 2 main streets of Savska & Vukovarska. Currently next door to the existing 22 storey Cibona tower, work is nearing completion of Stage 1 of the HOTO Business Tower which will house Croatia Telecom. Work has reached level nine, but the original height of the tower which was to be at 21 storeys, may be scaled back to 15 stories due to a stuff up in the number of underground car spaces. After many years, Cibona Tower will have a new neighbour ..... HOTO Business Tower - 32 Savska, Zagreb Work was approved last month for the construction nearby of 2 commercial towers on Vukovarska Ulica. One tower will be 12 storeys, while the second will be double its size at 25 stories. However, the best is yet to come. Zagreb may in fact allow for Europes tallest tower at 376 metres & at a whopper 104 stories under proposal to be built. Although I am sceptical of such a huge building rising above the old Hapsburg quarter of Zagreb. Here is the link to the story courtesy of ALBERTO, the article unfortuanetly is in Croatian ..... http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=175354 The rise in building permits recently for such towers has caused a crisis in Zagreb City Council which is rushing to finalise a master plan for the CBD. Zagreb City Council up until last month was anti-highrise, but has given into demand by local developers and foreign investors. Old neighbour Cibona Tower (22 storeys) ....... Cibona Tower, Hotel Opera, Arts and Crafts Museum Old friends - Zagrebcanka & Cibona Towers __________________ “The definition of insanity is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” - Albert Einstein Last edited by SinCity; December 12th, 2003 at 06:41 AM.

December 11th, 2003, 05:51 AM	#2
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	Silouette of another tower under plan in Zagreb. Due to the number of proposals and construction in the nearby vicinity, Croatia Railways is to build a new station "City" to service new workers and residents ... Link (In Croatian) http://www.vecernji-list.hr/2003/11/...s/uzhoto5.html __________________ “The definition of insanity is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” - Albert Einstein Last edited by SinCity; December 12th, 2003 at 08:18 AM.

December 11th, 2003, 06:27 AM	#3
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	In Croatian ....... Duž Savske i Vukovarske - Zagrebaèki Wall Street Hoto toranj bit æe visok kao i onaj Cibonin, Mamiæ i Kordiæ gradit æe twinse od 12 i 25 katova, na križanju Vukovarske i Heinzelove u proljeæe poèinje gradnja 22-katnog Zagrebtowera, a neboder od dvadesetak katova u Vukovarskoj priželjkuje i Erste Bank Usvajanje detaljnih planova ureðenja dijelova Savske i Vukovarske ulice u èetvrtak, na sjednici Gradske skupštine, samo je potvrdilo ono što neki arhitekti veæ duže vrijeme govore, a to je, da bi se na nekim dijelovima duž tih ulica trebale graditi visoke poslovne zgrade. Tim je planovima ureðenja, koje umjesto lokacijske dozvole propisuje novi GUP, investitorima Zdravku Mamiæu i Josipu Kordiæu dopuštena gradnja dvaju nebodera, tzv. twinsa, visokih 12 i 25 katova na križanju Vukovarske, Luèiæeve i Humboldtove ulice. Tomo Horvatinèiæ smjet æe, umjesto traženog 21 kata, nastaviti graditi svoj Hoto toranj u Savskoj do 15 katova, èime bi se Hoto izjednaèio s Ciboninim tornjem, djelom arhitekta Marijana Hržiæa. Zanimljivo je da je Hržiæ projektirao i Mamiæeve i Kordiæeve twinse. Dakako, sama gradnja neæe poèeti prije nego što proðe osam dana, odnosno prije nego što odluka Skupštine iziðe u Službenom glasniku. Tada investitori mogu zatražiti izdavanje graðevinskih dozvola, koje, pak, oèekuju do kraja godine. Glavni nadzorni inženjer Hoto tornja Božo Blaževiæ kaže, da æe se odmah pristupiti pripremnim radnjama i traženju novih suglasnosti za daljnjih sedam katova zgrade na kojoj veliki radovi stoje još od ljetos. Gradnja æe trajati cijele zime, kaže Blaževiæ, zahvaljujuæi montažnoj tehnologiji gradnje. U gradnju 15-katnog nebodera sa 270 parkirališnih mjesta u podzemnoj garaži ulaže se, saznajemo, oko 50 milijuna eura. Osim ovih, u medijima èesto spominjanih nebodera, Savska i Vukovarska mogle bi dobiti još tri poslovna nebodera i time postati hrvatska poslovna èetvrt, poput Wall Streeta na newyorškom Manhattanu. Naime, detaljni plan dijela Savske predviða još jedan neboder i to od 25 katova, u dvorištu sadašnje Pivnice Medvedgrad. To je, meðutim, tek prijedlog izraðivaèa plana i tek bi trebalo provesti arhitektonsko-urbanistièki natjeèaj za to podruèje, koje je sada u privatnom vlasništvu. Gradnja Zagrebtowera, poslovnog nebodera sa 22 kata arhitekta Otte Bariæa, na križanju Vukovarske i Heinzelove trebala bi, pak, poèeti na proljeæe, nakon izdavanja graðevinske dozvole, što je u tijeku. Izgledna je i izgradnja poslovne zgrade Erste&Steiermärkische Bank od oko 25 katova u Vukovarskoj, i to kao nadogradnja postojeæe graðevine izmeðu Fakulteta elektronike i raèunarstva i tzv. Galiæeve stambene zgrade. Kako se i ovdje radi o važnom gradskom podruèju, novi GUP i tu propisuje izradu detaljnog plana ureðenja, što je investitor, Erste Bank, veæ zatražio u Zavodu za planiranje razvoja grada. __________________ “The definition of insanity is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” - Albert Einstein

December 12th, 2003, 12:53 AM	#6
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	Yep, I'll have to look into this new 104 level tower. It would stand out like something crazy. I'm not too sure if Zagreb City Council will allow it. They have a hard time approving buildings taller than 20 levels. My guess is the developer is using a trick to get the council to approve something close to that height, but not exactly that height. We'll keep an eye on this project as its just early days. Anyway the good thing for Zagreb is that several towers are under construction or will begin construction in the new year. So far this is the new count 15 level "HOTO" Business Tower housing Croatia Telecom 12 level Stage 1 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins" 25 level Stage 2 of the long awaited "Zagreb Twins" 22 level "Zagreb Tower" 25 level Erste & Steiermärkische Bank Tower 25 level tower on the site of Medvedgrad Brewery __________________ “The definition of insanity is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” - Albert Einstein

December 15th, 2003, 04:38 AM	#10
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	Zagreb Tower - Hot Pics of New Tower Work finally begins on Zagreb's (Croatia) latest commercial high rise ..... ZagrebTower. The 22 level tower with a shorter 8 level tower has begun. I love the eliptical design of the tower & floorplates here are a few renders and links ......... Zagreb as the Croatian metropolis is well on its way to become a major turntable of Southeast Europe. Situated in the immediate vicinity of the city center, the office project ZAGREB TOWER will decisively influence the future face of ZAGREB The Location on Radnicka Cesta provides excellent links to higher-level traffic systems. It lies withhin 10 walking minutes from the railway station and the airport is reached in about 25 minutes by car. Links ......... Online Hausverwaltung & Immobilientreuhand AG http://www.onlinehausverwaltung.at/D...ndex=4&tabid=4 Zagreb Tower http://www.zagrebtower.com/ Last edited by SinCity; June 21st, 2004 at 05:55 AM.

December 11th, 2003, 11:35 AM	#4
Daniel Weigenfeld Guest Posts: n/a Likes (Received):	amazing wow

December 13th, 2003, 12:19 AM	#7
bziherl alias Blaz Ziherl Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ljubljana Posts: 193 Likes (Received): 0	Wow, I read in that croatian article that Zagreb might build more than 300 meters tall skyscraper! That's amazing! What are the chances for that to really happen in a near future? It looks like Zagreb will get many new great buildings soon! Cool!

December 15th, 2003, 06:55 AM	#11
Kommandant Mark BANNED Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Zemun, Land of Tesla & Pupin Posts: 1,707 Likes (Received): 0	Niice!! I hope they build many more new buildings in Zagreb BTW, is this "Novi Zagreb"(New Zagreb) in the background?

December 15th, 2003, 08:03 AM	#12
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	Here is another 15 level tower that is to commence shortly on the intersection of Vukovarska/Heinzelova Streets Zagreb. The site has already been cleared for construction ...... The property is located on one of the most attractive sites in the center of Zagreb. The surrounding area consists primarily of offices and includes Chromos Business Tower and the headquarters of Euroherc insurance firm. It is easily accessible both by car and public transport. Currently the property comprises empty land with an area of 12.055 sq.m. The investor has already demolished the building which formerly existed on the site and has been granted a location permit to build an office complex with 40.000 sq.m. of leasable area. The future complex will include a 15-floor office tower on Vukovarska with an area of 15.000 sq.m. and adjacently on Heinzelova an 8-floor office building of 25.000 sq.m. There will be parking on two floors below ground with an entrance from Vukovarska and exit onto Heinzelova. Based on the existing project this complex will offer some of the best office space in the city finished to the highest standards and with its attractive design will no doubt become one of the symbols of Zagreb. The investor is a renown international construction company which is willing to sell or lease space in the complex but only in segments no less than 5.000 sq.m. Link ..... http://www.spillerfarmer.hr/ponuda/p...k_heinz_en.htm __________________ “The definition of insanity is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” - Albert Einstein

December 15th, 2003, 12:35 PM	#13
Mantas in action Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,122 Likes (Received): 0	Cool project and good news for Zagreb I like that tower __________________ *What was said on different forum, shouldn't be a matter here.* *TINKLE.Miestai.NET* forum Cities & Architecture

December 15th, 2003, 04:19 PM	#14
Aleks011 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Beograd Posts: 358 Likes (Received): 0	If someone showede me that picture, i would have sworn that it was a project in the neighbourhood of rotterdam i live in... background looks very similar to dutch city suburbs.. __________________ Aleks011

December 15th, 2003, 06:31 PM	#15
ZAGY BANNED Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Zagreb Posts: 7 Likes (Received): 0	But Zagreb have nice modern buildings. Importane center, National library, Importane Gallery, Zagrebcanka tower, Cibona Tower, Sheraton Hotel all that buildings are pretty impressive.

December 15th, 2003, 11:12 PM	#16
bziherl alias Blaz Ziherl Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ljubljana Posts: 193 Likes (Received): 0	Cool Tower! Love the eliptical design!

December 15th, 2003, 11:38 PM	#17
Polskafreak Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46 Likes (Received): 0	Very nice and modern design!

December 16th, 2003, 01:33 AM	#18
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	Zagreb - HOTO Tower Construction Pics The Croatian capital of Zagreb is riding a construction boom of mid-rise commercial and residential towers. Here are some construction pics of HOTO Business Tower as its nearing completion. HOTO Business tower was intended to be 21 levels, then Zagreb City Council chopped it down to 9, however after some intervention, the tower was allowed to hit 15 levels. The main reason was a lack of enough underground car spaces. The tower is still under negotiation to be built up to 21 levels. HOTO Tower is to house Croatia Telecom ....... Pics, thanks to a friend ........... __________________ “The definition of insanity is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” - Albert Einstein Last edited by SinCity; April 13th, 2004 at 03:18 AM.

December 16th, 2003, 02:36 AM	#19
Kommandant Mark BANNED Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Zemun, Land of Tesla & Pupin Posts: 1,707 Likes (Received): 0	What is the point of city council not approving a 21 floor building, and getting it down to NINE? Most residential buildings these days, anywhere you look in the world, are at least 20 floors high. Never could understand these things - and I hope they never happen in Belgrade, otherwise im gonna go blow up the "city council" Building design looks great - what does the area around it look like? (photo?)

December 16th, 2003, 07:42 AM	#20
SinCity Streetwalker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sodom & Gomorrah Posts: 6,842 Likes (Received): 10	Here is another development for Vukovarska Street that will start in 2004. These are the 2 twin towers which were originally meant to be 30 levels, both @ 138m. They will now vary in height ...... More to come later __________________ “The definition of insanity is ... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” - Albert Einstein

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