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Old February 6th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #3221
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The structure is perfectly safe. Most theories that the concrete is unstable are based off of rumors and speculation. Besides, they reinforced the structure a year or so ago.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #3222
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Old February 6th, 2012, 02:27 AM   #3223
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Old February 6th, 2012, 10:37 AM   #3224
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For all the haters it will always be the worst structure ever even though if it was located in any other part of the world, this would've gotten some awards.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #3225
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I dont think anyone can deny its a gorgeous building. The question is how the interior looks. The question I think has always been how will it look inside.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #3226
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And the question is who's gonna use it.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #3227
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...if anyone.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 03:10 PM   #3228
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The structure is perfectly safe. Most theories that the concrete is unstable are based off of rumors and speculation. Besides, they reinforced the structure a year or so ago.
THANK YOU! It makes me feel so much better to here this from a structural engineer who has worked in North Korea on this project from start to finish!

I thought (silly me) that the concrete may not be the best quality (possible lower stability) because of the pictures I have seen. I feel so foolish.

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Old February 6th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #3229
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Foreign tourists they get I suppose. Maybe foreign dignitaries.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 10:50 PM   #3230
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THANK YOU! It makes me feel so much better to here this from a structural engineer who has worked in North Korea on this project from start to finish!

I thought (silly me) that the concrete may not be the best quality (possible lower stability) because of the pictures I have seen. I feel so foolish.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=192
I told you, they reinforced the concrete. There are pictures of them reinforcing the concrete. You think North Korea would forget about safety standards for the only thing worth being proud of there? And considering that 20 years standing alone is nothing compared to how long a concrete structure can usually last, I'm not surprised that the hotel is still usable. And you're not going to get a North Korean construction worker commenting about anything. I really wish people would stop with these speculative claims that the concrete isn't good.
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Old February 7th, 2012, 01:48 AM   #3231
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NK's safety standards?! Compared to who's safety standards? Who says it meets guidelines? What are the guidelines? They are never going to rip it down, regardless of its condition - that would appear as failure in the eyes of the public, something great leader would never allow.

It's speculative that the concrete is not "good", but surely it is also speculative to say it is good - no-one can say to what standard and to what degree the concrete has been reinforced or prepared.
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Old February 7th, 2012, 03:00 PM   #3232
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For the benefit of those who don't know, the Ryugyong is being completed by the Egyptian company Orascom, who are investing their own money in the project. They surely would not have taken it on if they didn't think that the structure could be made safe.
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Old February 7th, 2012, 04:58 PM   #3233
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Old February 7th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #3234
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Old February 7th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #3235
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I would love to see pictures of them reinforcing the concrete. I'm not talking about the balcony edges, I'm talking about the parts that hold up the building. There are none?

I also am sure Orascom would not take on a project they thought was a lost cause, and I am sure they did 'something'. I just never could make a bold statement like "The structure is perfectly safe"
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Old February 7th, 2012, 09:05 PM   #3236
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Probably tourist. I doubt North Koreans can afford rooms in it. I do expect most of the building to be unoccupied since the average hotel in Pyongyang is basically empty XD
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Old February 7th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #3237
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I would love to see pictures of them reinforcing the concrete. I'm not talking about the balcony edges, I'm talking about the parts that hold up the building. There are none?

I also am sure Orascom would not take on a project they thought was a lost cause, and I am sure they did 'something'. I just never could make a bold statement like "The structure is perfectly safe"
Good luck finding a picture showing any support columns, reinforced or not. All you can find are pictures of the outside walls. I'm sure the supports were reinforced.
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Old February 9th, 2012, 05:47 AM   #3238
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I ADORE this building. I've always loved it, even when it seemed it was about to fall/to be demolished.

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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:25 AM   #3239
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North Korean Skyscraper to Open, Only Two Decades Late

North Korea has been toiling over its most luxurious hotel since 1988.
By COURTNEY SUBRAMANIAN | @cmsub | February 10, 2012

"Some of the world’s grandest architectural plans came to a halt following the global recession. (The Chicago Spire, anyone?) But North Korea has been toiling over its most luxurious hotel since 1988 — and 23 years later, the project is nearly finished. The 105-story Ryugyong Hotel is set to partially open for business this spring, according to the International Business Times.

The original goal of the Ryugyong Hotel was to outdo South Korea, the Washington Post reports. As Seoul prepared to host the 1988 Summer Olympics, the capital city revamped its skyline with construction of new high rises, boasting a 63-story, gold-embellished building that reigned as the highest in Asia.

North Korea’s response? Go big or go home. With the financial support of the Soviet Union, North Korea aimed at erecting the Ryugyong, a hotel meant to be almost 200 feet higher than Seoul’s newest addition. But the Soviet Union collapsed, leaving North Korea short of funds and raw materials.

Several unsuccessful attempts at reinstating what the BBC called ‘The Hotel of Doom” led the North Koreans to an unlikely partnership. In 2005, North Korea agreed to support the South Korean port city of Incheon in hosting the Asian Athletics Championship in exchange for funding the completion of the Ryugyong.

Park Kil-sang, a liaison in the negotiations, told the Post that Kim Jong Il and other officials emphasized the importance of the hotel renovation in the deal. He described the site as “a huge cement mountain, and it showed the wear of 20 years of just sitting there untouched. We actually figured it would be better to break it down entirely and build a new hotel from scratch.”

The agreement fell apart, and in 2008 Orascom Telecom, part of an Egyptian conglomerate, took over the project, transforming a rusted reminder of the past into a silver, arrowhead-shaped structure.

According to a 2009 BBC article, North Korea pushed to complete the hotel by April 15, 2012, the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, North Korea’s “Eternal President” and father of the late Kim Jong Il. The hotel originally was supposed to have 3,000 rooms, but middle floors will remain empty at first."
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Old February 12th, 2012, 03:15 AM   #3240
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It's probably structurally unsound.
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