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Old April 17th, 2012, 05:32 AM   #3321
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The "apartments" in the Ryugyong building (if there are any) should be used as hotel suites. And where in the building are any "business facilities", the podium?
Yes, possibly at the bottem, it can be used as a small "mall" type building, where people can enter, and instantly visit some stores there. Then from there it should be the hotel rooms and etc. The top maybe where some restaurants, or observation decks are.
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Old April 17th, 2012, 05:51 AM   #3322
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Old April 17th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #3323
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You would think that the recent media blitz would include this tower (if it was in any way 'ready') even members of the AMERICAN media were invited to Pyongyang and then bused to the satellite launch. I did not see even a little attention given to the hotel. Maybe I missed it.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:29 AM   #3324
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Old April 20th, 2012, 01:19 AM   #3325
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Looks nice, NK is quite clean
Not sure if this is meant sarcastically....

Photos taken in North Korea are heavily supervised by NK authorities. You are simply not allowed to photograph certain things, and no outsiders are ever taken to parts of the city the government don't want the outside world to see.

Photo opportunities for media and tourists are orchestrated, pre-prepared environments that are nothing like what actual life in NK is like.

Pyongyang is not clean or nice.

Agree that this should be the main government building, towering over the city like Sauron. As it is though, it'll be used for more propaganda and staged media opportunities for NK to house their visitors and show the outside world how amazingly well it is apparently doing (despite relying entirely on 1st world aid to feed and support their population).
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Old April 20th, 2012, 03:30 AM   #3326
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Not sure if this is meant sarcastically....

Photos taken in North Korea are heavily supervised by NK authorities. You are simply not allowed to photograph certain things, and no outsiders are ever taken to parts of the city the government don't want the outside world to see.

Photo opportunities for media and tourists are orchestrated, pre-prepared environments that are nothing like what actual life in NK is like.

Pyongyang is not clean or nice.

Agree that this should be the main government building, towering over the city like Sauron. As it is though, it'll be used for more propaganda and staged media opportunities for NK to house their visitors and show the outside world how amazingly well it is apparently doing (despite relying entirely on 1st world aid to feed and support their population).
I don't think so. Stop trying to scare uneducated people about how it is, or isnt in North Korea, I can easily bet you have'nt even been there. And this is totaly off topic Mr. Troll. Nice try :P
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Old April 20th, 2012, 06:02 AM   #3327
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With all tourist photo and video stories coming out of NK these days, you'd think that people would get over the "orchestrated photo opportunities" thing. It is not 1998 anymore. Tourists to NK these days are not nearly as restricted as they were 10, or even 5 years go.

Time to get informed, people.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 06:52 AM   #3328
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I can confirm that you can take photos of anything you like, you just can't travel around the country without a guide. You can travel around cities alone, however.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #3329
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I've read that the guides do stop tourists photographing things they don't want to be seen at least some of the time -- for instance a man pushing a wheelbarrow.
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 04:24 PM   #3330
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Hopefully, when NK regime collapses, this building will be a five star hotel in the middle of a forrest of new skyscrapers.
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 04:28 PM   #3331
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Hopefully, when NK regime collapses, this building will be a five star hotel in the middle of a forrest of new skyscrapers.
It probably won't because its floor to ceiling height is so low (perhaps around 2.6m or so). Not something that would suit a 5* hotel.
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 11:15 PM   #3332
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I can confirm that you can take photos of anything you like, you just can't travel around the country without a guide. You can travel around cities alone, however.
Anything to back this up.
I really would like to know where you got the info about that tourist can go freely in PY.
ooh has a point
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Old April 22nd, 2012, 11:47 PM   #3333
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Anything to back this up.
I really would like to know where you got the info about that tourist can go freely in PY.
ooh has a point
Ooh's points were probably true back in early 90's or so. Are they true today? I don't know. You don't know. And most probably neither does Ooh.

I can't judge because I haven't been to NK (I'm going there probably next year or early 2014 at the latest) and will be able to tell more after that.

However, it is rather annoying once people who don't actually know anything start publicizing their opinions as facts. Even if something they believe to be true was true 20 years ago, it doesn't mean it is true today.

We have been witnessing similar misconceptions about China just a few years back. I.e. before many Westerners actually started visiting that country to see how things have changed.

Have things changed in NoKo since 1980 or 1990? Probably. To what extent? We don't know too well. Certainly not as much as they have in China or even Vietnam... We should ask someone who's actually been there and has no that stupid 'my opinion=objective fact' attitude. However the fact alone that I can go there if I just decide so means that things have eased up there. They are probably continue to ease even if we don't get too much information about it.

Oh and another thing... then fact that in this very thread you see tons of construction pics of that hotel (as opposed to just a few years ago) probably mean that things are not as strict as they used to be or as some want us to believe they are now.
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 12:11 AM   #3334
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I remember reading long and thorough memorial from trip to north korea in 2005 or something. Every day activity was described in detail and the guy wasn't over hateful or anything and indeed many things about this country seems to be true (or have changed just lately). Specifically he indeed has had a guide and he wasn't allowed to travel alone anywhere. I'm first to fight with stereotypes but really north korea is amongst few that really is hard to defend. What will be next fighting with Kongo "stereotypes" maybe? If you want to see little example how things works in this country watch peoples "honest" reaction on great leader funeral. Really quite a revealing picture..
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 12:31 AM   #3335
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I remember reading long and thorough memorial from trip to north korea in 2005 or something. Every day activity was described in detail and the guy wasn't over hateful or anything and indeed many things about this country seems to be true (or have changed just lately). Specifically he indeed has had a guide and he wasn't allowed to travel alone anywhere. I'm first to fight with stereotypes but really north korea is amongst few that really is hard to defend. What will be next fighting with Kongo "stereotypes" maybe? If you want to see little example how things works in this country watch peoples "honest" reaction on great leader funeral. Really quite a revealing picture..
I've seen all videos, saw all photos and read all articles that can be found on the Internet using Google. I am very much aware that the situation is severe and that you need a guide to essentially go anywhere.

However, the question is if you are allowed to go by yourself to the urban vicinity in the place you reside (Pyongyang primarily)? Are you allowed to take photos of what you see around you?

We have been hearing contradicting opinions on that and therefore I would not rush to accept one of them as an 'absolute and undeniable truth'... especially knowing how our 'independend and free media' tends to spill rivers of crap about whatever it doesn't like or approve of. Many people tend to just accept that as truth. I guess I'll just have to check it out myself.

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They don't send the guide with you without a reason. I guess you can take pictures as long as they are not controversial or put the country in bad light. That's why we have updates (not to many but always) of the tower since this is the thing which North Korea obviously want to show to the world.
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They don't send the guide with you without a reason. I guess you can take pictures as long as they are not controversial or put the country in bad light. That's why we have updates (not to many but always) of the tower since this is the thing which North Korea obviously want to show to the world.
Your conclusion is indeed logical and makes sense but there is some contradicting information on the Internetz. This gives a reason not to reject the idea that in some cases/locations it is possible to walk around without a guide. I'm not saying this is definitely true but the information we know gives us a reason not to reject that.
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Anything to back this up.
I really would like to know where you got the info about that tourist can go freely in PY.
ooh has a point
There are a lot of trip reports on Chinese forum about traveling in NK. From what I've read if you just want to take a walk around the hotel they won't necessarily send a minder with you, but I don't think they'll allow tourists to travel around the city unsupervised. What's important is that there are lots of tourists there compare with years ago and I don't believe photos of cityscape are "staged" at all, otherwise they'd have to stage it 24/7/365. From the photos I've seen the city indeed looks very clean, but there are also crappy places like the courtyards behinds the apartment buildings lining along the wide roads.
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Your conclusion is indeed logical and makes sense but there is some contradicting information on the Internetz. This gives a reason not to reject the idea that in some cases/locations it is possible to walk around without a guide. I'm not saying this is definitely true but the information we know gives us a reason not to reject that.
Your right. I am also curious about this information. Would be nice if that would be true. But this as the stereotypes can't just be trusted by somebody's word.
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Ooh's points were probably true back in early 90's or so. Are they true today? I don't know. You don't know. And most probably neither does Ooh.

I can't judge because I haven't been to NK (I'm going there probably next year or early 2014 at the latest) and will be able to tell more after that.

However, it is rather annoying once people who don't actually know anything start publicizing their opinions as facts. Even if something they believe to be true was true 20 years ago, it doesn't mean it is true today.

We have been witnessing similar misconceptions about China just a few years back. I.e. before many Westerners actually started visiting that country to see how things have changed.

Have things changed in NoKo since 1980 or 1990? Probably. To what extent? We don't know too well. Certainly not as much as they have in China or even Vietnam... We should ask someone who's actually been there and has no that stupid 'my opinion=objective fact' attitude. However the fact alone that I can go there if I just decide so means that things have eased up there. They are probably continue to ease even if we don't get too much information about it.

Oh and another thing... then fact that in this very thread you see tons of construction pics of that hotel (as opposed to just a few years ago) probably mean that things are not as strict as they used to be or as some want us to believe they are now.
I've read my part of trip rapports from NK and I can't remember anybody that have stated that tourist can go freely around. There is always a tourguide with them that follows a planned route.

I'm sure they have loosen things up since the 80/90, but it's still pretty strict.
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