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Old November 28th, 2012, 10:42 PM   #4201
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What you said about buildings may be true for the purpose of this website but what is good about this building? We build and make things to better our lives. That's what we are really excited about. This one however is a pure commie propaganda in the first place and they did not need this building. Sorry.
I already explained this. Originally it was for propaganda, but now they plan on using it to make money. Mansudae was the one that was propaganda, and to be honest, North Korea is not the only country guilty of building without good reason.
People were enslaved in USA when the useless Washington Monument was built but literally zero people care.
Moscow University was commie propaganda, but now it is loved.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #4202
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Originally it was for propaganda, but now they plan on using it to make money.
Pure speculation on your part
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:41 PM   #4203
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NO, IT IS NOT. I can't believe this. It's YOUR speculation that they won't use it for money!
So they allowed western businesses in, completed the building, started a telephone service from that building, as well as completed several other big projects, and it's all 'my speculation" that they aren't trying to get money. You need to go to economics class.
Of course it is still for propaganda, but so is every other building in the world over 200 meters.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #4204
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I never said they're not trying to make money in general with their entire deal that has many levels like the telecomunication network or the mining rights AltinD mentioned, I only said that they MIGHT not be making money with THIS building itself. I talked only about this building. So yes, them using this building to make money is purely your speculation. Me thinking that they want this building to be just propaganda is a speculation too, however unlike you, I never claimed that my speculations are fact, while you do it all the time
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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:00 AM   #4205
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Does anyone else think that Kantotards (subtle name by the way) is actually KCNA in disguise? He sounds just like a news reporter for them - North Korea is great! It is all everyone else's fault NoKo is like it is yes?

I can't have a rational discussion with someone so ignorant, so I'm bowing out. Have fun.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:26 AM   #4206
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If you never claimed your theories to be fact, then why are you always so eager to say my "speculations" are wrong? Why do you allow your speculations but not mine? What, because they aren't bashing the "sociopath bloodthirsty leaders?"

If you believe that them pumping money into this building, setting up a luxury hotel, and setting up offices and a telecommunications tower do not mean this tower will make money, then fair enough.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #4207
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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:58 AM   #4208
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If you never claimed your theories to be fact, then why are you always so eager to say my "speculations" are wrong? Why do you allow your speculations but not mine? What, because they aren't bashing the "sociopath bloodthirsty leaders?"

If you believe that them pumping money into this building, setting up a luxury hotel, and setting up offices and a telecommunications tower do not mean this tower will make money, then fair enough.
I always marked my speculations as speculations, however I also stated facts, the EU report and its findings are a fact. Also the debunking of the fake North Korean/Macedonian report is a fact. And additionally me saying that you can't determine who makes money out of what without seeing their contracts is a fact too. My core points in this discussion are facts.

As to Kantotards, I don't even bother reading Kantotard's posts because his name shows clearly that he is a troll.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #4209
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And here you are claiming your opinion to be fact yet again.
Like I said, you don't know to what extent the South Korean based EU report (which is anti North Korean) tells the truth, and you don't know to what extent the Rotterdam report lies. Speculation. Tell me exactly where your evidence is, other than the pure opinion on and biased guessing, due to the location, that the Rotterdam report is faked. Show me anything that the South Korean "report" listed that is actually specific and gives true info.
"Sources say" is not proof, because 'sources' can say anything. If 'sources' said this building is only hanging by one interior support, would you believe it?
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Old November 29th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #4210
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NoKor is OPEN, just ask the China, Russia, Cuba, etc.... South Korea, USA, and many other nations censors their citizens from travel to Nokor; or atleast make it very difficult to travel to Nokor.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #4211
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Yes, SK does restrict visits to NoKo ... dunno about USA, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do so, as they do for Cuba
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Old November 29th, 2012, 03:42 PM   #4212
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And here you are claiming your opinion to be fact yet again.
Like I said, you don't know to what extent the South Korean based EU report (which is anti North Korean) tells the truth, and you don't know to what extent the Rotterdam report lies. Speculation. Tell me exactly where your evidence is, other than the pure opinion on and biased guessing, due to the location, that the Rotterdam report is faked. Show me anything that the South Korean "report" listed that is actually specific and gives true info.
"Sources say" is not proof, because 'sources' can say anything. If 'sources' said this building is only hanging by one interior support, would you believe it?
That is a lie. What I listed are facts and I have no problem explaining why. I see I have a lot to debunk again:

1, Why the EUChoC report is true: Because it is done by NEUTRAL people from a NEUTRAL institution managed by trustworthy nations such as South Korea and the European Union. This is enough to make it as trustworthy as it can be on the internet.

2, Why the North Korean/Macedonian report is fake: First of all that is not a Rotterdam report. It was only published in Rotterdam and in the free world pretty much anything can be published anywhere, so the Netherlands have absolutely nothing to do with this report. The report is North Korean and Macedonian. But back to the main question, why it is fake. Well, that is pretty much obvious, it has Noeth Korean coauthors and that together with the fact that it speaks pro-Slaughterhotel is proof enough that the report has absolutely no credibility and can be described as propaganda. Any North Korean who would say something bad about something North Korean would go immediately into Yodok together with his/her entire family. Even if they would just let the Macedonians to write negative stuff about the hotel they (the North Koreans) would go straight into Yodok. If North Koreans are involved in a report it automatically means that it can have only one result, no matter what's true and what's not. This is the reason why the North Korean/Macedonian report is less trustworthy than John Lear's Dulce papers.

3, Why sources matter and details not: I explained in the previous two paragraphs how one source is completely trustworthy and the second one is completely untrustworthy, so that settles that point. As to details, thinking that a report is true because it has details or that it isn't true because it hasn't details is absolutely wrong and misguided in every aspect. First, every ammount of details can be faked. Any engineer could fake an entire detailed report with ease. Second, nearly all information on the internet and therefore also in magazines deals with only the main points released on a press conferrence of a scientific institute or another form of institute. Details are not included because those outside of the scientific community could not understand them and would get only bored by reading them. Trust me, I work with science articles and nobody would read a full detailed report in the afternoon with a tasty cup of coffee. Third, the entire lust for details is misguided because it can continue into infinity. First you want to know what tests they did, then you can continue to want to know how they did them, after that you can demand knowing about what they were thinking when they were making those tests ........ this can continue to infinity.

There ya go, all of the info I provided in this post are proven facts and they completely debunk your theories.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #4213
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That is a lie. What I listed are facts and I have no problem explaining why. I see I have a lot to debunk again:

1, Why the EUChoC report is true: Because it is done by NEUTRAL people from a NEUTRAL institution managed by trustworthy nations such as South Korea and the European Union. This is enough to make it as trustworthy as it can be on the internet.

2, Why the North Korean/Macedonian report is fake: First of all that is not a Rotterdam report. It was only published in Rotterdam and in the free world pretty much anything can be published anywhere, so the Netherlands have absolutely nothing to do with this report. The report is North Korean and Macedonian. But back to the main question, why it is fake. Well, that is pretty much obvious, it has Noeth Korean coauthors and that together with the fact that it speaks pro-Slaughterhotel is proof enough that the report has absolutely no credibility and can be described as propaganda. Any North Korean who would say something bad about something North Korean would go immediately into Yodok together with his/her entire family. Even if they would just let the Macedonians to write negative stuff about the hotel they (the North Koreans) would go straight into Yodok. If North Koreans are involved in a report it automatically means that it can have only one result, no matter what's true and what's not. This is the reason why the North Korean/Macedonian report is less trustworthy than John Lear's Dulce papers.

3, Why sources matter and details not: I explained in the previous two paragraphs how one source is completely trustworthy and the second one is completely untrustworthy, so that settles that point. As to details, thinking that a report is true because it has details or that it isn't true because it hasn't details is absolutely wrong and misguided in every aspect. First, every ammount of details can be faked. Any engineer could fake an entire detailed report with ease. Second, nearly all information on the internet and therefore also in magazines deals with only the main points released on a press conferrence of a scientific institute or another form of institute. Details are not included because those outside of the scientific community could not understand them and would get only bored by reading them. Trust me, I work with science articles and nobody would read a full detailed report in the afternoon with a tasty cup of coffee. Third, the entire lust for details is misguided because it can continue into infinity. First you want to know what tests they did, then you can continue to want to know how they did them, after that you can demand knowing about what they were thinking when they were making those tests ........ this can continue to infinity.

There ya go, all of the info I provided in this post are proven facts and they completely debunk your theories.
I don't blame Kantotards for naming himself in such manner after reading this post.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #4214
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I always marked my speculations as speculations, however I also stated facts, the EU report and its findings are a fact. Also the debunking of the fake North Korean/Macedonian report is a fact. And additionally me saying that you can't determine who makes money out of what without seeing their contracts is a fact too. My core points in this discussion are facts.

As to Kantotards, I don't even bother reading Kantotard's posts because his name shows clearly that he is a troll.

There is NO full version of EU report, but only a observation of South Korean team visiting North Korea to invest when "Sun Shine Policy" was active. Only report is in "Korean Language" and this was report in South Korean news papers. Where are you getting the full EU report from. Only reason South Korea decline to invest was the cost of renting and timing of completion of building which now North Korea have finish enough to attraced investment which can be used to further improvement/complettion. You better have better quote than Wiki...
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Pure speculation on your part

Your entire negative view on this building is speculation quoting journalists that other quote journalist which speculate with words "likely, probably, maybe, possbily"....
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Old November 29th, 2012, 06:01 PM   #4216
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I always marked my speculations as speculations, however I also stated facts, the EU report and its findings are a fact. Also the debunking of the fake North Korean/Macedonian report is a fact. And additionally me saying that you can't determine who makes money out of what without seeing their contracts is a fact too. My core points in this discussion are facts.

As to Kantotards, I don't even bother reading Kantotard's posts because his name shows clearly that he is a troll.

The EU reports is translation of South Korean weekend visits to NoKor. There is NO EU report...
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Old November 29th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #4217
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Does anyone else think that Kantotards (subtle name by the way) is actually KCNA in disguise? He sounds just like a news reporter for them - North Korea is great! It is all everyone else's fault NoKo is like it is yes?

I can't have a rational discussion with someone so ignorant, so I'm bowing out. Have fun.

No, I am not. But I am certainly NOT Anti-Korean, and not Anti-North Korea. I am support Korean in general like I support nations/individuals who do not stererotype the NoKor nation as "only evil/nothing can be good". Look at the all the negative post views... NoKor has 25 millions people who fought a civil war call Korean War to be communist(socialist). You don't like that... fine..... but drag that into everything about NoKor and their people.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #4218
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Someone please make it stop.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 06:16 PM   #4219
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I always marked my speculations as speculations, however I also stated facts, the EU report and its findings are a fact. Also the debunking of the fake North Korean/Macedonian report is a fact. And additionally me saying that you can't determine who makes money out of what without seeing their contracts is a fact too. My core points in this discussion are facts.

As to Kantotards, I don't even bother reading Kantotard's posts because his name shows clearly that he is a troll.

Troll are people who bring negative politics to this post like yourself. You have from the beginning stating only negative views, and your only quote is EU report which does not exist. You have been speculating failure of this building rather than objective view to this building. Your have been bringing in politics into this post. This hotel is building with engineering achievements, where you have shown intention to show failure by speculating. While ignoring all of achievement of this building, you have shown you arrogance and ignorance. Back off...
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Can you back up that statement with proof? PM me some links if you have any.

Don't you read... can you backup with PROOF that the statement is incorrect. For example, Chinese can drive their vehicle and travel freely to their choosing in NoKor. People are people, you should ask proof from people who accuse people of wrong doing which alot of views are stating of NoKor.
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