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Old December 7th, 2012, 09:06 AM   #4281
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Actually, people do comment what is the point of building all those supertall when it will be mainly empty.



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You do realize skyscrapers aren't suposed to be exlusively commercial buildings with companies signing up for office space ..... right?

I mean, you know this skyscraper is primarily a hotel, right?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #4282
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You do realize skyscrapers aren't suposed to be exlusively commercial buildings with companies signing up for office space ..... right?

I mean, you know this skyscraper is primarily a hotel, right?
Yes, it was meant to be a hotel, all of it, now, it has been scale back.

Unless NK can boost tourism hundred fold, we are not going to see the hotel fill up anytime soon. If other business can get in, assume the structure allow, they are better off becomes mix use.

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This building will fill up faster than the Empire State Building did, since there are already tenants planning to use it,
So far, I think only 10% of the internal is renovated, ready for occupation.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #4283
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Yes, it was meant to be a hotel, all of it, now, it has been scale back.

Unless NK can boost tourism hundred fold, we are not going to see the hotel fill up anytime soon. If other business can get in, assume the structure allow, they are better off becomes mix use.

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So far, I think only 10% of the internal is renovated, ready for occupation.
But they are only fitting out and opening 350 rooms. That's not a big number at all.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #4284
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I would visit NK ONLY to see, and stay in, this building. The rest of the country does not interest me at all. Fly into Pyongyang, bus ride to the Ryugyong, check in for one night, check out - go home.

The EUChoC report is old, outdated, and obviously UNAVAILABLE FOR ALL TO READ. The 'bad' 'irrepairable' concrete was chipped away (probably with hammers and hand chisels) and replaced with fresh strong new Orascom concrete, the RECENT pictures prove that. The 'crooked' elevator shafts had shims installed to make nice straight steel supports. End of story.

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Old December 7th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #4285
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Kanto, I did post evidence of the Dutch/DPRKan report and you dismissed it even though it was real. Just relate to the statement of them remodelling the bottom 25 floors. The original submitter was Hyeong Jung Park, PhD of Marburg University, if that tells you anything.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #4286
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That was a North Korean/Macedonian report, it wasn't dutch and I debunked it and have clearly proven that it lacks absolutely any credibility. Now if you would be kind enough to post a link for your information I could check it out.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #4287
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I'm going to DPRK in April next year, really hope I get a chance to see this crazy building up close.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #4288
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That was a North Korean/Macedonian report, it wasn't dutch and I debunked it and have clearly proven that it lacks absolutely any credibility. Now if you would be kind enough to post a link for your information I could check it out.
Of course a report we can actually see, has less credibility then a report we can't, and know nothing about, or that it even exists
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #4289
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Of course a report we can actually see, has less credibility then a report we can't, and know nothing about, or that it even exists
1st, we know that the EUChoC report exists and we know enough about it.

2nd, the North Korean/Macedonian report is, as its name suggests, coauthored by North Korea making it propaganda instead of research.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 03:00 PM   #4290
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Again, Kanto, can you SPECIFICALLY NAME things they had checked and what is your information based on? Please don't quote anymore articles from the media, they are not worth anybody's time, they just copypaste one line constantly. And this time be comprehensive and don't say EUCOC report is valid because it's from the EU.
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Things they chacked: concrete quality, alignment of elevator shafts and overall potential of the building being repaired. Source: the countless articles about this report. Validity: because the findings of the report are reported by countless trustworthy web pages including BBC, which is among the most trustworthy news portals in the world and because the report was done by neutral people, not by North Koreans. There ya go, enough for ya?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #4292
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It's not NK propaganda that I believe, it's reputable companies like Orascom and Kempinski. The danger is over, the old reports are moot, the structure has been repaired (not just remodeled) to the satification of those companies. Enough.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 05:04 PM   #4293
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Old December 7th, 2012, 05:06 PM   #4294
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It's not NK propaganda that I believe, it's reputable companies like Orascom and Kempinski. The danger is over, the old reports are moot, the structure has been repaired (not just remodeled) to the satification of those companies. Enough.
Repaired? How can something irreparable be repaired? Even trustworthy companies might not be trustworthy when money is involved. Orascom and Kempinski both have large deals with the DPHK considering the hotel, so they are far from being neutral.
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Irrepairable was an OPINION based on an inspection done many years ago (that none of us has seen) Anything is repairable with enough time, resources, money and WILL. Did you not see the photos with the chipped away concrete showing the exposed original rebar?
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Sometimes buildings are irreparable, that's why they sometimes need to be demolished. For example after earthquakes many buildings get demolished because they can't be repaired.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 07:00 PM   #4297
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I just read a report that could affect this hotel and the potential deal with Kempinski. Yes, I'm trying to change the subject...

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/07/wo...html?hpt=hp_t3
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Old December 7th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #4298
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That's wrong.

ORASCOM are a group based in Egypt with major interest in construction and Telecom internationally. They have stakes in many Telecomunication providers all around the World, as well as in Construction companies (one of which was on the consorcium that built Burj Khalifa, world's tallest structure/tower)

The way we understand it, is that Orascom is paying themselves to complete the building as a form of payment to NoKo Goverment to award them the GSM Mobile Phone licence.

Interesting aspects from the that Kempinski Director interview:

- 350 rooms to be managed by them
- Construction crews are Chinese (nothing unusual for work being subcontracted)
- The Mangment Contract was signed with the NoKo Goverment (obviously as they are the owners)
- They will employ allot of local staff, howwever they will have to train them for long, duee to lack of experience in hospitality sector
Very interesting, I thought Samsung Contruction was the main designer and builder for the Burj Khalifa. And Orascom was phone carrier with license to operate in the North Korea with agreement to rent number of floors on the hotel for business once complete, after all NoKor was short of funds to complete the building, not lack of architectural engineering skills. But Orascom is good partner for NoKor economic developement, and if Orascom can assist in finish the super structure hotel, that is good thing.
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Basic physics?
Also the fact that concrete weathers and deteriorates much differently in exterior vs interior conditions. The concrete walls in an interior hallway don't have to deal with years of battering rain, snow, and high altitude winds.
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But weather damage isn't the concern here, concrete quality is. Concrete in the inside might be protected from rain however if the building has been built from the start with low quality concrete it will still be unsafe even when there is no rain damage inside. And I already stated a page or two ago that the concrete on the facade was performing really poorly.
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