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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:32 AM   #4441
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Elevators can't be installed?

Starting with the premise that the shafts are significantly flawed, just install an elevator system that is a few inches narrower and add simple shims. Problem solved.
It will have to be really bad to be define as crooked.

But they can't all be crooked, maybe a few are seriously misaligned, so just don't use those.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #4442
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Old January 17th, 2013, 02:15 PM   #4443
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What we do know is that people have been to the top of this building. I doubt they walked up from the ground floor.
Why wouldn't they? It is just 300 m height difference = less than half an hour.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #4444
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Yeah but that was just for the slanted parts. I saw the brackets installed directly on the concrete for the straight walls. I'm not sure how the glass ended up so straight if it were crooked. Even so the modification must not have been much otherwise it would not have worked
I wonder how many people got the sarcasm on the google comment?
I agree that the flat surfaces seemed to be much better than the slanted part, but unless you were looking straight up, or straight down it would be harder to see from the photos we have. That said, the slanted parts were SO bad, they could be visually detected from distant photos. After we learned that the core was indeed a separately built structure and the wings coming later, maybe the core had better methods and then the financial pressure caused the 'speeding up' and quality control slipped?

There was a picture of the slanted part that had a difference of about 1/2 meter between shims only 10 meters apart! I wish I could re-find that picture.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #4445
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:42 PM   #4446
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Close, but during the cladding there were pictures of the slanted section with only the metal rails bolted to the concrete. You could clearly see metal 'feet' that were drastically different lengths.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #4447
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I agree that the flat surfaces seemed to be much better than the slanted part, but unless you were looking straight up, or straight down it would be harder to see from the photos we have. That said, the slanted parts were SO bad, they could be visually detected from distant photos. After we learned that the core was indeed a separately built structure and the wings coming later, maybe the core had better methods and then the financial pressure caused the 'speeding up' and quality control slipped?

There was a picture of the slanted part that had a difference of about 1/2 meter between shims only 10 meters apart! I wish I could re-find that picture.
This building ahs a core? I never saw a picture of it having a core. Could you please post it
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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #4448
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ROFL, North Korean propaganda good source of info? You gotta be kidding me
Actually is it is not any different than reading media articles quoting other journalists. The difference is NoKor built and owns the buildings and really know more about them than anyone else.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #4449
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There are claims by media that Orascom is working on the building, but Orascom is mainly telephone provider which utilizes the building as part of antenna towel...likely will rent some of the floors when finished. I seriously doubt that Orascom contruction skills are better than North Koreans who are known to build super structures/status. Finanicial limits were only likely reason for delays in finish the building. For example, NoKor have built a huge statue in Africa, bigger the Statue of Liberty, to represent Africa's Renaissance; this status is grand and have to admit is very good architecture. Love to know more about NoKor architecture history and higher learning in Architecture. Do anyone know if there is any books out there about NoKor Architectures in english?
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Old January 17th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #4450
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This building ahs a core? I never saw a picture of it having a core. Could you please post it
I'm terrible at finding things on this site. The advanced seach feature is really bad. I will look back a few (hundred) pages, but I am sure I have seen it.

Hello Kevin! That sure is some good propaganda you are smoking. We can see clearly in the pictures of the pre-clad structure just how good the North Korean super structures are. Orascom is not just a phone company...

Edit: found it!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=4323

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Old January 17th, 2013, 10:50 PM   #4451
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I posted that but apparently he thinks there is no core in that center structure. If not a core, I have no idea what that darker-ish area above it would be.

Due to the cantilevered shape I doubt this would really actually need a central core. There's no doubt supports in the center otherwise it would not be standing, but who knows if a central core is necessary. The rooms are in the wings and the restaurant and antennas need a strong support under them, so a core might still be possible.

I wonder why North Korea built the statue in Africa of all places... does the North korean population even know Africa exists?

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Old January 18th, 2013, 01:55 AM   #4452
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When looking at that often posted photo depicting straight red lines superimposed on the structure, it is important to understand lens distortion. Pincushion or barrel distortion is likely adding to the real curvature.

Not to suggest that the building is flawless. The concrete is obviously not that good. I've often wondered if the engineers understood the capabilities of the workforce and available technology and planned accordingly. Could they have planned to shim the cladding all along? Could they have oversized concrete elements in anticipation of using lower grade material?

For example, I have a friend who is always late. When going to meet him, I plan accordingly and tell him a time earlier than truly needed if he were punctual.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 02:07 AM   #4453
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Ironically I was browsing other threads and came across a photo demonstrating how lens distortion can make it hard to ascertain if a building is straight.

Actually, it doesn't look like lens distortion but it still illustrates the confounding factor.

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Old January 19th, 2013, 06:09 AM   #4454
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Old January 19th, 2013, 01:48 PM   #4455
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Old January 19th, 2013, 03:18 PM   #4456
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There are claims by media that Orascom is working on the building, but Orascom is mainly telephone provider which utilizes the building as part of antenna towel....
And SAMSUNG only makes mobile phones, they absolutely don't construct/build any superstructures
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Old January 19th, 2013, 05:21 PM   #4457
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Old January 19th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #4458
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And SAMSUNG only makes mobile phones, they absolutely don't construct/build any superstructures
fail. http://www.samsungengineering.co.kr/

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Old January 19th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #4459
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I think he was being sarcastic
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Old January 20th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #4460
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how was the building meant to look originally? similar to how it is now or did they actually plan on showing the bare concrete?
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