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Old February 7th, 2013, 12:34 AM   #4561
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The guys who put up the cladding were probably educated civil engineers. I think they would have accounted for the present conditions, and I highly doubt a number of random people on a forum would come up with a problem on a whim, that the engineers haven't accounted for.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #4562
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But the engineers are obviously paid off and in a conspiracy with north korea, duh. Wake up, sheep...
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Old February 7th, 2013, 01:48 AM   #4563
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It's an impressive looking building, to be sure. Though I kind of miss the abandoned version. Seeing the gigantic monstrosity rotting away was neat in its own right.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 05:26 AM   #4564
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is this pyramid open yet?????
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Old February 7th, 2013, 06:34 AM   #4565
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The guys who put up the cladding were probably educated civil engineers. I think they would have accounted for the present conditions, and I highly doubt a number of random people on a forum would come up with a problem on a whim, that the engineers haven't accounted for.
just like the engineers of Boston's John Hancock Tower right? the took account of everything, including wind pressure that the mullions were the strongest in the world.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 06:48 AM   #4566
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Yeah, and those two buildings are so totally comparable. Despite the engineering innovations and lessons learnt from that building, the cladding on the Ryugyong will fall off for some unknown reason as well. Due to it being in North Korea, the construction company that is working on it automatically went neanderthal and forgot everything they know about construction. They probably just glue-sticked the panels on there, since I've heard from the Media that they did other crazy stuff like that.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 02:39 PM   #4567
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is this pyramid open yet?????
No, only the exterior is finished. The interior (as far as any of us know) is still bare concrete.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #4568
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just like the engineers of Boston's John Hancock Tower right? the took account of everything, including wind pressure that the mullions were the strongest in the world.
The John Hancock Tower was the FIRST of its kind. Up to that point there were no towers clad in such a fashion. With that said, there were several factors that were originally unknown to the designers. Mistakes happen.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #4569
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Old February 7th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #4570
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Yeah, and those two buildings are so totally comparable. Despite the engineering innovations and lessons learnt from that building, the cladding on the Ryugyong will fall off for some unknown reason as well. Due to it being in North Korea, the construction company that is working on it automatically went neanderthal and forgot everything they know about construction. They probably just glue-sticked the panels on there, since I've heard from the Media that they did other crazy stuff like that.
Ah, so if they have the knowledge of construction, then that's why they have all that crappy concrete finishes and exposed rebar? Last time I checked, good concrete finishes and mixtures don't erode....even if it's 15 years exposed.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:01 PM   #4571
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Sorry, a bit off topic but I can't help noticing this:

One (of the several) things I find odd about Pyongyang is the almost totally deserted streets, but seemingly packed public transport. Is it that no-one ventures into the downtown much, but many pass through it?

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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #4572
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Can't really answer your question but another thing to spot is that people are finally wearing coloured apparel. I can even see pink on the photo!
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Huge cracks have been noticed during the construction of a South Korean supertall. How ironic!

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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:39 PM   #4574
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It still looks better!
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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:03 PM   #4575
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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:09 PM   #4576
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Huge cracks have been noticed during the construction of a South Korean supertall. How ironic!
I love it how everybody says 'Oh, cracks ain't a problem'/'No biggie'/'It's just the core which has steel as integral part so concrete cracks around it aren't an issue'. On the other hand, this hotel having 'balconies' concrete chip away after 20 years of being exposed to nature is a disaster and a ticking bomb. If South Koreans cannot produce a proper concrete in 2013, what does that tell about their skills?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #4577
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Man, Pyongyang looks like such a pleasant city to live in. I'd say that it looks like it would be a great place to live, if it weren't for the crazy dictators, but it's the crazy dictators that demand all of these monuments and parks, and keep the trash down and whatnot.

If only we could build cities like this without someone forcing us to.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #4578
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No, only the exterior is finished. The interior (as far as any of us know) is still bare concrete.
Do they have plans of opening this or just a tall concrete monument that symbolizes North korea's wealth.
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It will be opened and used by the company resuming the tower, Orascom, and also Kempinski, a German luxury hotel chain. The government may also use sections of it in some ways or others.
2000-3000 westerners visit North Korea each year, and many more Russians and Chinese, so this tower will see use, especially if North Korea decides to open up more.
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Is there some source on that Kempinski are doing/considering this?
I mean, I find it strange that a western reputable company are actually doing this. Not alone that they are potentially risking this, but also that NK would choose that chain over some Chinese chain.
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