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Old April 6th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #4681
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May be on a diet?

It does not work permanently.

It's down below the western standard, there is no temporary state.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #4682
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Old April 7th, 2013, 04:28 AM   #4683
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Old April 7th, 2013, 09:01 AM   #4684
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No worries, Seoul has way more skyscrapers.
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Old April 7th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #4685
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Old April 9th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #4686
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If war begins, Ryugyong will be a great objective for the aircraft.
Why the heck would anybody bomb an empty civilian building? It sure could be used for navigation purposes, but it would be a waste of ammunition to target it, and probably a war crime too.
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Old April 9th, 2013, 03:12 AM   #4687
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Interesting that the Ryugyong so closely matches the description of the Ministry building from Orwell's "1984."

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(I wonder if the Kim Jongs built it tall to compensate for a small boner size).
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Old April 9th, 2013, 05:56 AM   #4688
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Why the heck would anybody bomb an empty civilian building? It sure could be used for navigation purposes, but it would be a waste of ammunition to target it, and probably a war crime too.
Bombing a civilian hotel WOULD be a war crime, but no court can touch the US or its allies. But you hit the best point. Bombs and jet fuel are expensive. Why would you waste them on an empty shell with an (admittedly) attractive glass cladding?

A better question, though, is why did we waste our time responding to a troll?
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Old April 9th, 2013, 07:20 AM   #4689
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Why the heck would anybody bomb an empty civilian building? It sure could be used for navigation purposes, but it would be a waste of ammunition to target it, and probably a war crime too.
Clearly, it is a building used to store weapon of mass destruction, disguise as a empty civilian building.
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Old April 9th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #4690
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Swiss Kempinski ditches N.Korea 'Hotel of Doom' project
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The Swiss luxury hotel chain Kempinski said on Tuesday that it was dropping plans to open a huge pyramid-shaped hotel that has stood half-built for decades in North Korea amid escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula.

"Kempinski Hotels confirms that KEY International, its joint venture partner in China with Beijing Tourism Group (BTG), had initial discussions to operate a hotel in Pyongyang, North Korea," Brigitte Hohl Taylor, a spokeswoman told AFP in an email.

"However no agreement has been signed since market entry is not currently possible," she said, adding in a phone conversation that the discussions had been halted.

In November, the Geneva-based luxury hotel chain said it hoped to open Pyongyang's 105-storey Ryugyong Hotel -- a monolithic concrete shell dubbed the "Hotel of Doom" by international media that has been repeatedly delayed -- in July or August this year.

But on Sunday, the South China Morning Post reported that the Swiss company had decided to ditch the project amid the increasingly bellicose rhetoric from the North Korean regime.

The Korean peninsula has been locked in a cycle of escalating military tensions since the North's third nuclear test in February, which drew toughened UN sanctions.

Former North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il, who died in December 2011, reportedly ordered construction of the Ryugyong hotel in 1987, initially with skills and capital from a French company.

In 2008 the project, which has stood as a symbol of the economic problems plaguing the impoverished country, was named the 'Worst Building in the History of Mankind' by US men's lifestyle magazine Esquire.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 01:09 PM   #4691
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The Swiss luxury hotel chain Kempinski said on Tuesday that it was dropping plans to open a huge pyramid-shaped hotel that has stood half-built for decades in North Korea amid escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula.

"Kempinski Hotels confirms that KEY International, its joint venture partner in China with Beijing Tourism Group (BTG), had initial discussions to operate a hotel in Pyongyang, North Korea," Brigitte Hohl Taylor, a spokeswoman told AFP in an email.

"However no agreement has been signed since market entry is not currently possible," she said, adding in a phone conversation that the discussions had been halted.

In November, the Geneva-based luxury hotel chain said it hoped to open Pyongyang's 105-storey Ryugyong Hotel -- a monolithic concrete shell dubbed the "Hotel of Doom" by international media that has been repeatedly delayed -- in July or August this year.

But on Sunday, the South China Morning Post reported that the Swiss company had decided to ditch the project amid the increasingly bellicose rhetoric from the North Korean regime.

The Korean peninsula has been locked in a cycle of escalating military tensions since the North's third nuclear test in February, which drew toughened UN sanctions.

Former North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il, who died in December 2011, reportedly ordered construction of the Ryugyong hotel in 1987, initially with skills and capital from a French company.

In 2008 the project, which has stood as a symbol of the economic problems plaguing the impoverished country, was named the 'Worst Building in the History of Mankind' by US men's lifestyle magazine Esquire.
Wow, nearly every sentence is biased and anti North Korean propaganda.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 02:41 PM   #4692
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Oh yeah, sure, no journalist has anything better to do than to bash North Korea all day long ........ Ever thought that maybe, just maybe what the media report might be true?
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Old April 10th, 2013, 04:14 PM   #4693
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Don't know about journalists, but a certain fellow in this forum, certainly so
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Old April 10th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #4694
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Wow, nearly every sentence is biased and anti North Korean propaganda.
Who needs propaganda when their leader is an insane dictator with nukes to threaten the neighbors?

The building will remain as it is: empty. Even if it opens, who would be the guests? The politicians from NK?
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Old April 10th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #4695
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Wow, nearly every sentence is biased and anti North Korean propaganda.
Swing it around the other way:

The HOTEL OF GREATNESS built entirely by the General Imperious Greatest Leader was completed on schedule due to his mind power. Kempinski backed out due to the fear of not comparing to the obvious superiority of the North Korean Hotel competition! The truth is they did not back out, they were removed by Un! Any other suggestion is pure anti-North Korean propaganda!

The truth is out there...
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Old April 10th, 2013, 10:36 PM   #4696
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Or maybe you can report on it fairly and without bias. Unfortunately most people have 1-dimensional thinking and this will rarely happen.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #4697
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Hmmm, lots of responses to my commenting on the comically biased AFP article. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the NK government nor their leader. However it should be obvious that our hatred of the country leads to bias.

I mean seriously, "hotel of doom" in the headline?

If you were to go back and watch some of the propaganda films from mid 20th century America, hindsight would make them laughable. Reefer Madness can't be watched without uncontrolled laughter.

With a bit of non-nationalistic perspective, the same phenomenon can be observed today in regard to NK. Granted, propaganda is probably the wrong term because it implies intentional bias. Most reporters might not even realize that their fear and hatred is preventing a lucid portrayal of facts.

In summary, an article that refers to "hotel of doom" and "the worst building in the history of mankind", should not influence our opinions on anything other than our own propensity for hate mongering in pursuit of an otherwise worthwhile cause. Let's address the danger NK presents without all this other nonsense clouding our ability to think rationally.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 11:23 PM   #4698
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I think in this case the biased defenders of the hotel are the ones that point fingers at articles and call them biased. Reffering to the hotel by its popular nickname and quoting another article which has a negative opinion of the hotel definitely isn't a sign of being biased as you may wish it to be

Nicknames are used all the times and the article itself didn't even say that the building is the worst on the planet. It merely quoted the opinion of another article. That is what journalism is about. The only problem is that you wish it to be biased because you can't swallow that it might be right. It's your choice, dismiss the article if you like but let other people create their own opinions and don't force your judgement on them.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 11:40 PM   #4699
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Old April 11th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #4700
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I don't like the NK government nor their leader. However it should be obvious that our hatred of the country leads to bias.
The people of the country that looks like this at night needs to be pitied, not hated:



People are hungry, cold and frightened, and the only blessing is that most of them are utterly oblivious about the huge gulf in living standards when compared to their neighbours to the south and more recently to the north.

Any reasonable person should detest utterly the people who are responsible for this human rights black hole, and let's hope that one day not too far from now, the Korean Iron curtain falls and the people are freed from misery.

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I mean seriously, "hotel of doom" in the headline?
If you do a bit of research about the history of the hotel, it's clear that if the hotel project had belonged to Hilton, the term would fit superbly. But it was never a commercial project. It was, rather, nothing more than a statement of political power erected by a corrupt and feckless leadership incapable of lifting its people out of poverty and misery.
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