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Old September 18th, 2009, 07:52 PM   #681
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Again, I see the design as inspired by the movie Logans Run. A 'utopian' society closed off to the outside world, with futuristic pyramid shaped buildings. Any coincidence that the movie came out in 1976 (in the USA) and this building started construction in 1987? Which would mean the design ideas were probably started approximately 1979-1980?

I can't post attachments or pictures here (for unknown reasons) so could someone put a side by side of the picture in the link above with the Ryugyong Hotel?
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Old September 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #682
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In a way, this building is sort of a prototype for Burj Dubai. Three wings, getting slimmer towards the top..
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Old September 18th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #683
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Again... This thread isn't about the people of North Korea.
It is certainly not although I must admit Maing Seuk from Wonsan is a nice sympathetic guy and Joo Dai Sim from Sinuju is not.

But the building's design is closely related to the country's ideology: It looks like a rocket ready to be fired to the sky (for warfare or just for people's progress?) and resembles a lot of Communist monuments and statues.
So it's not exactly only the reason that this building is accidentally in North Korea, why these discussions evolve.
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Old September 18th, 2009, 09:03 PM   #684
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It's a stunning building. The kind of innovative (and quite possibly insane) design you could only get in a state run society. Turns out totalitarianism does have some things going for it!
Look, I don't want to get into a political discussion, but ... no. Just, no. Your statement is wrong on so many levels and a smack in the face of all those innocent victims of totalitarian dictators.

Futuristic buildings get built ALL the time in free and semi-free countries. A building like the Ryugyong Hotel could have easily been built in say, Las Vegas, and maybe even China.
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Old September 18th, 2009, 10:21 PM   #685
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Look, I don't want to get into a political discussion, but ... no. Just, no. Your statement is wrong on so many levels and a smack in the face of all those innocent victims of totalitarian dictators.

Futuristic buildings get built ALL the time in free and semi-free countries. A building like the Ryugyong Hotel could have easily been built in say, Las Vegas, and maybe even China.
It was built in vegas:
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Old September 18th, 2009, 10:52 PM   #686
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The building is progressing great, and its iconic style gets more and more appreciated as it approaches completion.
Sadly, the usual trolls from THAT "highly democratic" country keep being a pain in the ***.
Since no one pays them attention, they'll do theatrics with each other, on and on.
Zorg, you seem to be the only serious mod here. My hopes rest on you.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 12:06 AM   #687
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Again, I see the design as inspired by the movie Logans Run. A 'utopian' society closed off to the outside world, with futuristic pyramid shaped buildings. Any coincidence that the movie came out in 1976 (in the USA) and this building started construction in 1987? Which would mean the design ideas were probably started approximately 1979-1980?

I can't post attachments or pictures here (for unknown reasons) so could someone put a side by side of the picture in the link above with the Ryugyong Hotel?
use http://photobucket.com
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Old September 19th, 2009, 04:34 AM   #688
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Hmmm for the people who say this thing is move fast, your crazy because its taking over 15 years to get it this far.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 11:36 AM   #689
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That's either sarcasm or a comment of an 8 year old kid
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Old September 19th, 2009, 04:30 PM   #690
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I don't get why people always say it looks like a rocket, have you guys actually seen what a rocket looks like?

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Old September 19th, 2009, 06:45 PM   #691
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I don't get why people always say it looks like a rocket, have you guys actually seen what a rocket looks like?

It looks like the Bottom of a Rocket, like a small or very short little rocket...

blah-blah-blah.

When the RyugYong-Tower looks like a Rocket for another Peopl, then, what is the Burj Dubai, it was a Rocket, too.

blah-blah-blah.

I like the Tower, it was gigantic, huge, stunning, i love this blue Cladding and it´s so nice to see them completed.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #692
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I like the Tower, it was gigantic, huge, stunning, i love this blue Cladding and it´s so nice to see them completed.
I totally agree on that, however, the fact that it has been on hold for so long and that they even bothered removing the structure from pictures (as I read in some linked article here) and that even the people of the city refused to talk about this project (which I as well read in an article here), makes this wohle project just fishy - in my opinion.
If they would have managed to finish it as planned - we would respect them for this achivement even today.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 09:31 PM   #693
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It resembles a stereotypical 1950's science fiction rocket.

I'll give a few examples.




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Old September 19th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #694
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can't believe the cladding is unbelievably good
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Old September 19th, 2009, 11:38 PM   #695
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i hope they clad the podium that way it would be great!
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Old September 20th, 2009, 07:35 PM   #696
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It's coming on and that is very surprising in my opinion. I don't really like it, but it's certainly an unusual and impressive

It's also interesting how communist architectural tastes have evolved from grandiose neoclassicism in Stalin's day through run-of-the-mill "international style" of the later Soviet Union to this rather flashy and kitsch taste that North Korea seems to have adopted.

I am doubtful though that the Ryugyong Hotel will actually be finished in the true sense of the term. What's more likely I think is that the cladding is merely cosmetic and for show, to give the appearance of normality. Perhaps you could call it a "Potemkin hotel".

The unfinished Ryugyong was by all accounts a source of embarassment to the North Korean authorities and was actually photoshopped out of photos of Pyongyang. They had taken great pride in the project and already put on stamps etc before it was completed, so to have it standing there abandoned for years was obviously a painful reminder of failure.

"Potemkin villages" are of course nothing new to communism. In Stalin's time Gulag camps were prettified, the barbed wire removed, watch towers packed away etc for visits by dignitaries (even the US Vice President at one point in the 1940s) who went away with the impression of model conditions.

North Korea itself built a whole fake small town in the 1950s near the border with South Korea which looked from the south as if it was a pleasant and prosperous place when in reality no-one really lived there and the buildings were just shells.

Even the city of Pyongyang seems to be a show put on to disguise the true nature of the country with its (relatively) modern infrastructure and very impressive monuments. The very rare pictures of the rest of the country show a different reality that appears very poor and backward.

In a place like North Korea where you cannot explore by yourself it's quite easy to get away with such frauds because it won't be as though anyone will be able to just wander up to the Ryugyong Hotel and discover that it's empty inside. You'll see its shiny exterior from a distance and the guide will tell you about it and that will be that, one will just have to take their word for it.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 08:18 AM   #697
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From flickr, photo credit: wordthecat. Not sure how long ago this was taken. This building turned out really nicely, I think. IMO it looks far better in its context than many other isolated towers.

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Old September 21st, 2009, 08:31 AM   #698
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looks excellent. worth the wait
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Old September 21st, 2009, 09:17 AM   #699
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It looks like its the only building in the whole city with a glassy facade.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 05:43 PM   #700
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I think it's awful, only huge, nothing more...
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