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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:32 AM   #941
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Some Flickr research:

BEFORE PHOTOS:
Close-ups of pretty terrible photos of decaying Ryugyong:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7861355...06907/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kernbei...74576/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wkenney/218746737/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brodiek...23909/sizes/o/

AFTER CONCRETE RESTORATION:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kernbei...37458/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1018533...82301/sizes/o/

Most dramatic is the difference between this BEFORE and this AFTER.

As an additional observation, the sloping surfaces and the balconies are in much worse shape
than the flat, vertical walls. This is presumably because they are unprotected from elements
above, and water has to run off the balconies and down the sloping walls, deterioriating that
area faster than other areas.

This is probably cherry-picked concrete restoration, but there you go -- more 'concrete'
(pun intended) proof that concrete restoration is going on.

I am interested in what they're doing inside the structure, since careful structural reinforcements
are likely necessary before inhabitation. South Korea media quote engineers saying that they
estimate a price quote of $2B for retroactive structural reinforcements, making it potentially
cheaper to reconstruct this building than to reinforce. That said, politically, it's easier for
North Korea to salvage this building. They come up with with some kind of lucrative partnership
with Orascom and get them to do all the work in exchange for something. And Orascom might
have found a clever ways (involving retrained North Korean engineers working with well-trained
egyptian engineers, as well as utilizing carefully modern-tested cherry picked good-quality-enough
North Korean mined material or cheap chinese imported material, to somehow push the price tag
below $1 billion, and things like not bothering to reinforce dirty concrete that passes electronic
strength tests such as ultrasound, X-ray or technology appropriate for this use, etc. Selective
reinforcing only where necessary, maybe.)

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They even appear to have made the balconies thicker, too, when you look at all the
before-and-after. Time will tell, whether they secretly plan to keep it empty, against
the official word Orascom plans to make it an inhabited building...

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Old November 16th, 2009, 03:51 AM   #942
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it's sure looks alot better
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Old November 16th, 2009, 05:13 AM   #943
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Wow, I somehow didn't pay attention to that before. Striking difference.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 05:09 PM   #944
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Yeah, the concrete looks a lot better. With the glazing complete, they will be able to start finishing the interiors. I wonder if all this work is being done in anticipation of some huge event?
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Old November 17th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #945
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Yeah, the concrete looks a lot better. With the glazing complete, they will be able to start finishing the interiors. I wonder if all this work is being done in anticipation of some huge event?
From the Koryo Tours travel agency

Ryugyong Hotel construction continues apace – Well known to lovers of unusual architecture as well as DPRK watchers in general the 105 floor pyramid-shaped Ryugyong Hotel in central Pyongyang is one of the most recognizable buildings in the North Korean capital. As mentioned in a previous newsletter, work resumed in May 2008 after a 16 year hiatus as a contract was signed with Egyptian company Orascom to make the building functional, if anyone knows how to build a pyramid it’s the Egyptians and although it looked at one stage as if total construction time would rival those at Giza, the Ryugyong has recently been undergoing a growth spurt with glass cladding spreading across two sides of the structure, and even the rare sight of electric lights inside being seen in the evenings as work goes on. Planned opening date for the hotel is April 15th 2012; the 100th anniversary of the birth of President Kim Il Sung, massive events will obviously be taking place at this time so book a tour now! Of course Koryo tours will have a full range of trips on offer at that time."

(Many photographs in this thread are taken by foreigners who travel though this agency to North Korea)
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Old November 17th, 2009, 08:50 PM   #946
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While that concrete looks cleaner, I still see jagged and uneven corners. One wonders what the inside is like.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 02:24 PM   #947
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Old November 28th, 2009, 02:39 PM   #948
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Damn if you see picture like that, you would almost wish to live in a city like that... xD
It all looks so green, clean and modern, car-free,... oh the irony!

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Old November 28th, 2009, 03:52 PM   #949
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/witandcaboodle/4134759126/

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Old November 28th, 2009, 05:53 PM   #950
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its going to be fun taking the crane down
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Old November 28th, 2009, 05:58 PM   #951
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It's going from looking like a scary looking torture prison to a very nice clean looking building.
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In my opinion I have to agree that for a city to be interesting there should be alot of excitement and commotion going around.Think about it what makes cities great is the feel you get that everyone has something to do or somewhere to be.I would also like to mention that Paris and Seoul are among the greatest and liveliest cities in the entire world of course there are plenty of other cities that are just as lively.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 07:37 AM   #953
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Modern? Dude, get your eyes checked. Tokyo, New York, Hong Kong, even Shanghai - those are modern cities. 50 year old commie blocks are *not* modern by any definition.

I don't want to go into why it's car free...there are a couple of reasons, but then I would have to make this a political post.
Actually the apartment blocks in the forefront of the picture are quite new. They're part of NK's drive to modernize the country by 2012. They were supposed to make something like 100,000 new apartments this year in a suburb of Pyongyang.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 11:00 AM   #954
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Actually the apartment blocks in the forefront of the picture are quite new.
Dude, just look at those green roofs. It`s photoshopped, and crudely so.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 03:25 PM   #955
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They don't appear to be photoshopped to my calibrated eyeballs.

It is true that they are putting new roofs and painting the exteriors of a lot of buildings in Pyongyang. They believe this sugar coating will show the world how great it is to live in NK. I will admit, the exterior re-do of the Ryugyong will be nice when finished, but I would wager that the interior will never be 100% finished. Just another dog and pony show.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 05:37 PM   #956
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Of course it is not Photoshop. That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while...
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Old December 1st, 2009, 06:56 PM   #957
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Oh my, this building is so ugly... It looks like North Korean expansion to the moon.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 09:15 PM   #958
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:04 AM   #959
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I actually think it's one of the best-looking city
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