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Old January 13th, 2010, 11:41 PM   #1121
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Did you guys know this building doesnt have any working elevators? How will people go to the top floor?
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Old January 13th, 2010, 11:42 PM   #1122
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Did you guys know this building doesnt have any working elevators? How will people go to the top floor?
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Old January 14th, 2010, 03:09 AM   #1123
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Did you guys know this building doesnt have any working elevators? How will people go to the top floor?
Actually, I read that wasn't true anymore. That problem was, supposedly solved. (Albiet with extreme difficulty)

True, it was reported (or at least rumored, since the limited information is hard to trust) the elevator shafts were not plumb nor consistent, but if so, then those are solvable engineering problems. An extra straight shaft within crooked shaft, and a little skew between floors smoothed out where not structurally risky, plus any small tilt in shaft angle can be compensated with extensions to current elevator technologies.

Worst case scenario of super-crookedness such as a minor curve in a shaft can be solvable - I doubt it is THAT bad - but that too, is solvable, using guides for cables and weights (mix some chairlift technology, cablecar technology, inclinator technology, and good old fashined elevator technology). Cable guides and weight guides are old well-tested technology, to make a curved cable-driven conveyance possible (think as a hybrid between a cablecar an an elevator). Or section it up into several straight segments. Like non-express elevators in current supertalls, if you want cheaper, more traditional elevators.

People read the info about the NK engineer that defected, about elevator being impossible. Which is good information. It could have been impossible for an off-the-shelf elevator technology, especially given the state of NK or Chinese tech back at the time. But not impossible for a custom elevator - given enough money and engineering. (And obviously, a lack of desire to demolish the building.) I don't think they needed to go to such lengths for a Ryugyog-specific custom vertical conveyance mechanism to call an "elevator", but you never know.

An expensive and difficult to build elevator yes, but not impossible. And it was solved, supposedly.

Exactly how it was solved, and what we don't know. Exactly how bad the shafts were originally, we don't know. But go back a dozen or two pages to see the link to Orascom that mentioned proceeding only after having solved the elevator problem with great difficulty.

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Old January 14th, 2010, 04:24 AM   #1124
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Love how Ryugyong Tower became the focus of the forum after Bruj Khalifa is completed.
Does anyone actually know how to properly pronounce the name of this thing?

Hate it when I tell people that this is the now the most watched project when I can't even say its name.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 04:35 AM   #1125
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wow! May be, it is the longest underconstruction building in the world.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #1126
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It is most certainly not.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 05:00 PM   #1127
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Old January 14th, 2010, 05:45 PM   #1128
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Nope, St. Peter's Basilica was built within 120 years.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #1129
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hmmm indeed. Nobody can beat this!
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Old January 14th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #1130
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Nope, St. Peter's Basilica was built within 120 years.
I thought the Basilica di San Miniato al Monte in Florence was the longest under construction or maybe the Leaning Tower of Pisa (177 years)?

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Old January 14th, 2010, 07:14 PM   #1131
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Going to have to go with one of my favorites, the Cologne Cathedral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_cathedral

"Construction of Cologne Cathedral began in 1248 and took, with interruptions, until 1880 to complete– a period of over 600 years."

Then it was damaged in WW2 and they are still fixing it back up. Tough building.

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Does anyone actually know how to properly pronounce the name of this thing?

Hate it when I tell people that this is the now the most watched project when I can't even say its name.
Most watched, on this site at least, appears to be 1 WTC now that the Burj is finished.
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Old January 15th, 2010, 04:05 AM   #1132
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Would it be safe to say, then, that outside of very large and tall medieval/renaissance religious buildings, this has been the longest time spent under construction, including interruptions, for any modern high-rise building?
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Old January 17th, 2010, 08:02 PM   #1133
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Here is a picture taken from another side (September 2009).

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Old January 17th, 2010, 11:14 PM   #1134
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I thought the Basilica di San Miniato al Monte in Florence was the longest under construction or maybe the Leaning Tower of Pisa (177 years)?
My city's cathedral, the Duomo di Milano, took five centuries to complete!
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Old January 18th, 2010, 01:46 AM   #1135
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Here is a picture taken from another side (September 2009).

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I think this summer time image reminds me a very peaceful countryside of Korea, which most of us can visit and see anytime. The mountains and hills...
Yeah... I was forgetting they were the same Korea after all.

I sincerely hope leader Kim Jung Ill changes his mind and abandon his Nuclear ambition for peace of Korean Peninsula and the region.

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Old January 18th, 2010, 03:13 AM   #1136
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This has got to be the lenghtiest time spent on building a skyscraper project. They started this project in the 70's no! It's 2010 and they're still working on it.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 04:08 AM   #1137
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This has got to be the lenghtiest time spent on building a skyscraper project. They started this project in the 70's no! It's 2010 and they're still working on it.
Read the above posts to see which has been the longest. I mean it is a matter of scrolling through the page a few times. lol
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Old January 18th, 2010, 04:10 AM   #1138
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This has got to be the lenghtiest time spent on building a skyscraper project. They started this project in the 80's no! It's 2010 and they're still working on it.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 06:13 AM   #1139
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I know its off topic but why does it take forever to build the Sangrada church?
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Old January 18th, 2010, 07:17 AM   #1140
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This has got to be the lenghtiest time spent on building a skyscraper project. They started this project in the 70's no! It's 2010 and they're still working on it.
Don't mean to be a word ***** but he did use the term skyscraper, however unwillingly, which doesn't apply to all of the buildings that were mentioned. The list was largely churches. They do however, apply to the qoute prior to that, which was worded as "buildings".

So how 'bout it? Is this the longest construction time for a skyscraper? I would say if it isn't it must be close.....
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