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Old July 24th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #1481
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Old July 25th, 2010, 01:34 AM   #1482
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I heard this building is absolutely not fit for habitation, will probably never be (because of number of things like water or even structure issues...) and the only reason why they are clading it now (after more than 20 years) is to make people (them as well as us I presume) believe that the construction is really over and that everything's going perfect in their perfect world.
Could it be true?
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Old July 25th, 2010, 05:43 AM   #1483
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I heard this building is absolutely not fit for habitation, will probably never be (because of number of things like water or even structure issues...) and the only reason why they are clading it now (after more than 20 years) is to make people (them as well as us I presume) believe that the construction is really over and that everything's going perfect in their perfect world.
Could it be true?
Who knows. North Korea is good at deceiving people.. just saying
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Old July 25th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #1484
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I heard this building is absolutely not fit for habitation, will probably never be (because of number of things like water or even structure issues...) ...?
I agree. I just looked at some old posts (192, 203, before the cladding) where we can see the state of the core structure: in close-ups the core looks like beyond repair: extensive discoloration and spalling of concrete, misalignments of main walls, they move away and back, no straight lines over many floors, the structure looks like before imminent collaps.


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Old July 25th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #1485
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Can you explain how builiding can be "absolutely not fit for habitation"?
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Old July 25th, 2010, 02:46 PM   #1486
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He ment to say that it's dangerous to live inside this piramid due to the bad quality of the concrete.The bad weather conditions affected the structure. And i don't understand why they didn't "repair" the concrete by putting some cement over the bad concrete before installing the cladding .However,the pyramid looks nice if you look at it from the exterior.
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Old July 25th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #1487
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They did repair the concrete, you should look at newer close-ups and compare them to the one posted above, the concrete - at least where it is visible - has been completely straightened out and freed of blemishes.
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Old July 25th, 2010, 03:44 PM   #1488
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...you should look at newer close-ups...
Could you post new close-ups of the bare concrete core after repair? Where did you get your sources? I could nowhere find detailed shots.

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Old July 25th, 2010, 03:47 PM   #1489
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I saw many cases in Romania, after the 89' revolution there were some buildings, regular buildings not colossal structures, buildings U/C left that way. And construction wasn't resumed up until now, more specifically there were over 21 years during which the building stood exposed to the elements. After some tests regarding the buildings integrity and seismic resistance, they found it to be in perfect order and they resumed construction in exactly the same way they're doing here: all glass. The elements alone can't destroy a building if it's well built from the beginning. That's the million dollar question regarding this hotel.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 12:20 AM   #1490
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Not my point. Many imported goods etc being banned from North Korea, wonder if this will include the building materials etc?
China doesn't really pay any attention to UN sanctions against North Korea. Putting goods on the sanctions list won't make any difference if North Korea can source them from China.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 09:04 AM   #1491
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I agree. I just looked at some old posts (192, 203, before the cladding) where we can see the state of the core structure: in close-ups the core looks like beyond repair: extensive discoloration and spalling of concrete, misalignments of main walls, they move away and back, no straight lines over many floors, the structure looks like before imminent collaps.
As a double major in Civil Engineering and Architecture, I can assure you that concrete, as such used in this hotel, can be repaired to near full strength. I'm not certain how good of a job they did during reconstruction, but from the pictures I have seen I speculate that it is safe for habitation. Maybe not full capacity, but enough for what the building is going to be used for.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 09:18 AM   #1492
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Pics of the concrete before and after...

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Old July 26th, 2010, 12:53 PM   #1493
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Thank you. I was searching for that picture but could not find it.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 03:57 PM   #1494
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It is amazing what you can do with concrete patch, shims and glass covering!

In the 'before' picture, look at the two openings along the outer edge of the center of the round top section. They are SO off!
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Old July 26th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #1495
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The concrete discussion was had many pages back - there was most certainly extensive work done to recondition it. Not sure whether it was just a "patch up" job or some genuine repair work.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #1496
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I'm sure it was more than just covering the ugly old stuff, but what worries me is the things you cannot see, deep inside the structure. If the outside was built with slack work standards (level, plumb, and true) what standards were held during the foundation work? It may stand forever, it may crumble under the weight of the glass and people working on it, who knows...
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Old July 26th, 2010, 06:13 PM   #1497
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Since there is zero information available it's moot to speculate.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #1498
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It's not moot if it's about the construction. What else is there to discuss? Politics again?

The low level buildings in the front of the tower don't seem to be progressing like the top, at least in those pictures.
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Old July 28th, 2010, 09:47 AM   #1499
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It is said that the completed Ryugyong will be divided among hotel accommodation, apartments and business facilities. But on the contrary, the building should be used exclusively for hotel accommodation. 3,000 rooms are to be contained within this structure, but one source said that 7,665 rooms will be contained.
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Please let us know your 'source'
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