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Old July 31st, 2010, 11:46 PM   #1521
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so, in north korea, are the citizens there told that this is the tallest thing in the world? i mean the citizens dont have access to internet or the outside world in general, so they wouldnt actually know of any other buildings, right?
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Old July 31st, 2010, 11:54 PM   #1522
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so, in north korea, are the citizens there told that this is the tallest thing in the world? i mean the citizens dont have access to internet or the outside world in general, so they wouldnt actually know of any other buildings, right?
At least our guides knew (they told us right away, didn't even try to make up a story) this was supposed to be the tallest hotel (not the tallest building) in the world, but that it already has been surpassed. I don't know if the average Korean knows, we didn't talk with them about the tower.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 01:07 AM   #1523
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I read an interesting book about North Korea's propaganda 'the cleanest race'. In it the author was at great pains to point out that the North Korean regime was very careful not to say provable or obvious lies.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 11:55 AM   #1524
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I read an interesting book about North Korea's propaganda 'the cleanest race'. In it the author was at great pains to point out that the North Korean regime was very careful not to say provable or obvious lies.
read that one too, excelent book for anyone who is intrested in the country.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 03:57 PM   #1525
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At least our guides knew (they told us right away, didn't even try to make up a story) this was supposed to be the tallest hotel (not the tallest building) in the world, but that it already has been surpassed. I don't know if the average Korean knows, we didn't talk with them about the tower.
They seem pretty proud of it either way http://www.openbuildings.com/buildin...file-1690.html check out the video of the opening ceremony
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 08:13 PM   #1526
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They do indeed love fireworks

I visited the country in April, when they celebrated the birthday of the Great Leader. The night before they also had a huge fireworks display at the bridges across the Taedong river. And not just for a few minutes, no, it went on for over four hours...

@mediadave, sounds like a very interesting book, I'll see if I can order it somewhere.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 12:23 AM   #1527
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I used to believe it was one of the ugliest buildings in the world. But now I think it is beautiful...

I've heard it is not very safe, is that true?
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 01:05 AM   #1528
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That information is currently unavailable. My advice is not to listen to hearsay and propaganda, and instead wait until concrete information on the building's safety is made public.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 01:55 AM   #1529
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I hope you have a lot of patience...
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 08:52 AM   #1530
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North Korea has finally managed to build something nice?

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Old August 3rd, 2010, 04:30 PM   #1531
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More like an outside company made a deal with them to install a BEAUTIFUL cover over what NK built...in exchange for future business.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #1532
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Current business, in fact - Orascom runs a mobile phone network in North Korea, and it seems that taking on the Ryugyong was a quid pro quo for getting the licence.
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Old August 4th, 2010, 03:06 PM   #1533
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I agree. It is current business, but if the info in this thread is true, only a few thousand elite NK's have modern telecommunication service. They are gambling that millions will have it in the future, and they will collect those revenues to pay for the Ryugyong frosting project. I just heard UAE will block Blackberry service because it threatens security! I see NK doing the same when it sees open communication between its' citizens.
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Old August 5th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #1534
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Orascom said that it had reached 125,661 subscribers in March this year.
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Old August 5th, 2010, 03:52 PM   #1535
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"The network achieved a profit of US$5.8 million in the quarter, before accounting for interest payments, taxes, depreciation and amortization. Orascom did not disclose whether it made a net profit or a loss for the period."

Interesting! I wonder what they put into the Ryugyong in construction costs during the same period?
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Old August 13th, 2010, 12:18 AM   #1536
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A crazy nation like N.Korea doesn't deserve such a hotel tower... Oops, I meant a palace for the dear leader.
Read this below.


North Korea's failed World Cup footballers undergo public mauling

Footballers subjected to six-hour excoriation on stage for 'betraying' North Korea and Kim Jong-il's son and heir
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...public-mauling


England's failed footballers should count themselves lucky that their ignominious World Cup exit was met with little more than a public mauling by the media.

Their counterparts from North Korea, who lost all three of their group games, have been subjected to a six-hour excoriation for "betraying" the communist nation's ideological struggle, according to reports.

There are even fears for the safety of the team coach, Kim Jung-hun, who was accused of betraying the son and heir of the regime's "dear leader," Kim Jong-il.

Early this month the players were summoned to an auditorium at the working people's culture palace in Pyongyang, forced onstage and subjected to a six-hour barrage of criticism for their poor performances in South Africa, according to the US-based Radio Free Asia.

Only Jung Tae-se and An Yong-hak were spared a dressing down as they flew directly to Japan, their country of birth and where they play club football, according to an unnamed Chinese businessman the station cites as its source.

The "grand debate" was reportedly witnessed by 400 athletes and sports students, and the country's sports minister. Ri Dong-kyu, a sports commentator for the North's state-run Korean Central TV, led the reprimands, pointing out the shortcomings of each player, South Korean media said.

In true Stalinist style, the players were then "invited" to mount verbal attacks on their coach, Jung-hun.

The coach was reportedly accused of betraying the leader's son, Kim Jong-un, who is expected to take over from his ailing father as leader of the world's only communist dynasty.

Radio Free Asia quoted the source as saying he had heard that Kim Jung-hun had been sent to work on a building site and there were fears for his safety.

North Korea watchers said the regime had been hoping to attribute the team's success to Kim Jong-un as it attempts to build support among military and workers' party elites for a transfer of power.

After the Red Mosquitoes, who reached the World Cup quarterfinals in England in 1966, narrowly lost their opening match to Brazil, the regime decided to televise the second group game against Portugal in what is believed to be the country's first live sports broadcast.

But the few North Koreans with access to a TV had to watch the team suffer a 7-0 thrashing, a defeat some reports attributed to orders by Kim Jong-il to play a more attacking style.

The reported episode highlights the potential perils of representing a dictatorship at professional sport.

But according to South Korean media, the players got off lightly.

A South Korean intelligence source told the Chosun Ilbo that in the past, North Korean athletes and coaches who let the nation down were sent to prison camps.

"Considering the high hopes North Koreans had for the World Cup, the regime could have done worse things to the team than just reprimand them for their ideological shortcomings," the source told the newspaper.
There are far worst places in the World...like India...where if their Cricket team doesn't perform well they burn effigies of the players and send death threats. Or New Zealand where if the All Blacks don't win a World Cup (which is all the time) the country goes into deep mourning for at least a year and almost publically executes the players. The vitriol that is thrown at the team, coaching staff and NZRU is intensely venemous and mind blowing.
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Old August 14th, 2010, 01:18 PM   #1537
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Oh really? Sorry but i dont see that happening in NZ.
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Old August 14th, 2010, 05:31 PM   #1538
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Sarkozy summoned the French football team to give them a telling off. Nobody cared.

I seriously hope I see this tower in person one day.
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Old August 20th, 2010, 01:47 PM   #1539
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Old August 20th, 2010, 02:14 PM   #1540
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I hope the hotel does open sometime in 2012 (first, second, third, or fourth quarters). I'm sick of all those doubtcasters who say that it will never open at all.
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