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Old August 22nd, 2010, 10:38 PM   #1561
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If you go to Google Earth, you'll see the city if full of slums. Behind every street front building is a slum. Same urban design as Romania, China....
Also, there can't be the same design in Pyongyang as in Romania and China. Because in Romania and China old pre-war buildings continued to serve as housing long after the war. Pyongyang, however, was demolished during the Korean war. So there was nothing left to use for housing.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 10:48 PM   #1562
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If you go to Google Earth, you'll see the city if full of slums. Behind every street front building is a slum. Same urban design as Romania, China....
Slums? Wrong. They aren't slums: only houses, as in Japan or Seul. Compare. Search in Mumbai or Săo Paulo. Slums are different.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 11:31 PM   #1563
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Just go to Google Earth and see for yourself instead of showing me pictures you found on the internet. The hills outside the city are full of unpaved roads and dilapidated shacks, not unlike the brazil favelas.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 12:17 AM   #1564
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It's a slum
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 12:19 AM   #1565
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I second the Saigoneseguy's advice! See if you could find it.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 01:08 AM   #1566
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The following photos are from Kernbeisser who seemingly has unprecedented access to much of North Korea. He confirms in his many commentaries basically that this country is in a desolate state…
Pyongyang looks like a modern city from a distance only. On closer inspection, visitors will notice how shoddy and run-down most buildings are. Except for ridiculously wide avenues, there is hardly any urban infrastructure. Blocks just rise from the mud, surrounded by small garden plots and shabby makeshift huts.

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Only a few metres behind the impressive high-rise buildings of Tongil Street, North Korea shows its true face.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 01:37 AM   #1567
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In Brazil this is not considered slum. It has streets, houses of bricks, etc.

This's a slum:








That is only a quarter, as this:
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 02:18 AM   #1568
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The following photos are from Kernbeisser who seemingly has unprecedented access to much of North Korea. He confirms in his many commentaries basically that this country is in a desolate state…
Pyongyang looks like a modern city from a distance only. On closer inspection, visitors will notice how shoddy and run-down most buildings are. Except for ridiculously wide avenues, there is hardly any urban infrastructure. Blocks just rise from the mud, surrounded by small garden plots and shabby makeshift huts.
Only a few metres behind the impressive high-rise buildings of Tongil Street, North Korea shows its true face.
Comrade Kernbeisser obviously had a cognitive dissonance (comments to his photos indicate that). Which he tried to resolve by searching for the worst views in the country.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 02:47 AM   #1569
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The following photos are from Kernbeisser who seemingly has unprecedented access to much of North Korea. He confirms in his many commentaries basically that this country is in a desolate state…
Those photos just show a relatively poor eastern block country. I have read 'Nothing to Envy' and much else on North Korea, and I know how bad things are...but honestly. Some people on here seem to think they live in mud huts - they have a rocket program, nuclear weapons and a large weapons industry. That stuff is built on at least the remnants of a 'normal' country.

Reading 'Nothing to Envy' you see the real tragedy was that the famine happened to recognisably normal people in a recognisably normal country (in the way it worked, rather than the political system). They had no reason to believe such a thing would happen to them, any more than we would expect it to happen to us. People continued to work in medical research labs or went to sport academies as the famine struck - this wasn't and isn't a desolate truly undeveloped country. And while things are no doubt hard, there's no reason to believe that things haven't returned to some sort of normality since the famine. (Indeed, the reason the currency switch caused so many problems to the regime was that it wiped out the savings of a burgeoning capitalist style middle class).
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 05:38 AM   #1570
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Those pics Kernbeisser took could very well have been taken in the outskirts of Naples, Italy. Nothing worse and nothing better
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 07:55 AM   #1571
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I cant believe there is anyone here standing up for the NK regime? OMG

Sure free nations have slums and poverty but they also have opportunity, and the ability to criticize the government. Just try telling a local official in Pyongyang how bad Little Kim sucks and see what happens.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 08:00 AM   #1572
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In Brazil this is not considered slum. It has streets, houses of bricks, etc.


Sorry out of topic but that's how you doing a PR job for Brazil? "We here are worse than North Korea"?
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 08:31 AM   #1573
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I cant believe there is anyone here standing up for the NK regime? OMG
I'm standing up for the truth though of course this is hard to believe for people being fed shit by their media as much, if not more, than people in NK. What I see in those pics is not worse than many western depressed zones (among which, possibly, Detroit's outskirts, and of course many american parking lots with people living in tents).
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 08:44 AM   #1574
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Sorry out of topic but that's how you doing a PR job for Brazil? "We here are worse than North Korea"?
Maybe he isn't trying to do any PR job, unlike many other people here.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 09:06 AM   #1575
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We had a whole page full of great updates, and you people had to waste it with your dumbass political soapboxing again. Great job. So yeah, Pyongyang has poor areas like every other major city on the planet, what a shocking revelation! Truly worth derailing the thread (once again).
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 12:18 PM   #1576
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Agree. Let's go back to discussion about one of most beautiful buildings.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 04:05 PM   #1577
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Such a wonderful update on the previous page, and everyone want to talk politics and poverty instead. Strange.

The building did not get the type of concrete repairs I thought it did. The 'balconies' on the three corners look great, but the cladding is just a big cover up. Look at the feet holding the track. They should all be the same length:
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Old August 24th, 2010, 12:17 AM   #1579
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Old August 24th, 2010, 03:25 AM   #1580
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I am going to do something that I normally despise, which is quote all the images in someone's post. Why? Because the last two pages are mostly full of garbage comments about poverty and politics. (Droneriot hit the nail on the head.) These images deserve better:

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Here are some fantastic close-up pics by Ray Cunningham. These were taken on August 16.

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Again, I quoted these intentionally since I doubt a moderator will delete all the off topic junk.

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