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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:42 AM   #1681
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The Korean Friendship Association website really is run by the KFA itself. If it were run by the government, it would look more like real official DPRK sites such as Naenara (currently down) and Uriminzokkiri, which do look like Chinese websites.
Uriminzokkiri is a Korean-language web-site (which I don't know ) and all their materials are an internal affair.

The main international outlet of pro-DPRK information is the KFA web-site, followed by the KCNA. Fact?

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it would look more like real official DPRK sites such as Naenara (currently down)
Is this it? Here are examples of Socialist-themed designs I had in mind:

http://www.sovarch.ru/
http://www.philarmonia.ru/index/?node_id=19
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:55 AM   #1682
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None of the things that you listed is a good thing.
Really? Is improving Cameron Diaz' boobs a bad thing?

I did not know that.

A lot has changed since I was young.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 12:01 PM   #1683
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@ainttelling:

I don't know Korean either. I would assume that Uriminzokkri is aimed at ethnic Koreans in Japan, many of whom are traditionally pro-North. They're perhaps a more important, and certainly more clearly-defined, audience than the international English-speaking world.

The screen capture you found is indeed from Naenara.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #1684
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This post (and other posts of yours) are so full of preconceptions.
Which posts have you read? This is the first post I have made in the international forums for maybe months.
Well your post is also full of preconceived ideas and assumptions too. For all you know I could have been to NK or know people that have. I could have at my disposal intelligence which you know nothing about. How can you make sweeping statements on my opinion and denounce it simply because you don't like what I have said. It's only my opinion, like it or lump it.

For some of you to say that NK has NO intention to impress the rest of the world is infantile. It's alll about propoganda and impressing success upon its people and attempting to save face with the outside world. I have read plenty of recent reviews of foreigners travelling into NK and the resultant reports they have given.

As for the photoshop critique, anyone with even a basic level of photo retouching could see there are clearly high levels of tampering and editing performed on the image and many in this thread have agreed.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #1685
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For some of you to say that NK has NO intention to impress the rest of the world is infantile. It's alll about propoganda and impressing success upon its people and attempting to save face with the outside world.
This is a true statement for the sole very simple reason that this is the main interest of any government of any country. The primary goal of foreign politics is to say that 1) "We're the good guys." and 2.) "We're very successful at what we do." Look around at the language of any country used in foreign politics, they're all the best and most successful in the world, but anyone willing to look beneath the surface of course sees a more nuanced picture. "Propaganda" is merely a (needlessly) derogatory term for the thing everyone does.

I honestly don't see why it should be such a hot (off-) topic in this thread. It's nothing unusual. Every government wants to be the big guy and the good guy, every country wants to be seen as paradise and the envy of all others, why spend pages over pages derailing the thread talking about the obvious and geopolitically omnipresent?

Of course it's not exclusive to this thread, there was plenty of similar discussion for example in the 1WTC thread when it still called itself "Freedom Tower", with people (including myself, I admit) lamenting the use of the word "freedom" in a tower which is built in connection to an event in American history (9/11) which led to the erosion of said "freedom" (through the Patriot Act.) Not to mention all the unnecessary whining about Islam the Abraj Al-Bait thread gets...

Still, the offtopic discussions in this thread are something I don't get in particular. All this "OMG, North Korea does propaganda to present itself in a good light to foreigners..." WHO THE HELL DOESN'T?? Get over it! Is it really worth derailing the thread over what everybody knows? Again and again? Sheesh.

(Sorry for venting, I normally don't have anything against off-topic discussion in the WDN forums, I do plenty myself, it's just that, as I said, the off-topic discussions in this thread seem obnoxiously self-evident and superfluous...)
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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #1686
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For some of you to say that NK has NO intention to impress the rest of the world is infantile.
Relying on the outside goes against the Juche ideology. Simply because relying on the outside is unreliable.

My point is - if North Korea had any intentions to impress "the rest of the world" - they are just not trying very hard.

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For all you know I could have been to NK or know people that have. I could have at my disposal intelligence which you know nothing about.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:03 PM   #1687
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(Sorry for venting, I normally don't have anything against off-topic discussion in the WDN forums, I do plenty myself, it's just that, as I said, the off-topic discussions in this thread seem obnoxiously self-evident and superfluous...)
Same here, people babbling about NK as if no other country in the world was doing that. If you are against propaganda, stop watching 99% of the msm (like CBS, ABC, BBC, CNN, and others) instead of picking on a country that does not want to be influenced by foreign filth.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #1688
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North Korea does not care about it's international image. If they did, they would have hired Chinese web-designers to make the KFA web-site look decent.
All pro-DPRK activities outside of DPRK are private initiative. One notable exception is the Juche Songun blog that is run by the staff of the Moscow DPRK
embassy.

Pyongyang day-time:

[img]http://i35.************/i1z0v5.jpg[/img]
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Pyongyang at night:

Picture Page | Pinkie Girl | Flickr
I thought that the purpose behind this hotel (which is arguable, i guess) was to show the world that they were doing fine without it. if that's true then they do care about their international image! it certainly wasn't out of necessity that it was built because it is the longest running unfinished skyscraper ever.....
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #1689
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anyway i've always rooted for this tower!
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:40 PM   #1690
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I thought that the purpose behind this hotel (which is arguable, i guess) was to show the world that they were doing fine without it. if that's true then they do care about their international image! it certainly wasn't out of necessity that it was built because it is the longest running unfinished skyscraper ever.....
North Korea has some plans for the years ahead but we don't know what those plans are exactly.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:49 PM   #1691
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...The primary goal of foreign politics is to say that 1) "We're the good guys."...I honestly don't see why it should be such a hot (off-) topic in this thread. ...still called itself "Freedom Tower"...in connection to an event ... which led to the erosion of said "freedom"...North Korea does propaganda to present itself in a good light to foreigners..." WHO THE HELL DOESN'T?? ...
Yes. Very true.

It is always the same: All governments do similar things (to their people and to others). Propaganda means: What our politicians do is good because ...uhm... it is good by default, but it is bad if other nations do the same thing. I do not want to get into details and examples because, well, my blood pressure...

Anyway, there is something that I want to say again:

Off-topic discussions are GOOD!!!

Where else if not here can you discuss all these things? I learned many things beside the height of the tower here. It broadens the mind. It is enjoyable. It is fun to follow the fights (even if it is Dubai versus Shanghai - this is still better than a dead thread - even it is just for good entertaiment). Here, on a more substantial level, it is good to read that others share my opinions, or parts of them. OK, there are also completely different views, but those post, again, fuel the passion to reply with posts filled with facts, or links, or information to spread. Thanks so much.

In a thread like this, if you remove all off-topic discussions, you would have a dead thread. Few people would visit it. It is somewhere in the back pages. Maybe there is a lonely update-post every 12 months or something. Maybe a „wow...awesome“-comment here and there, but that would be it.

So, please PLEASE continue off-topic. I like the spice of the discussion, even if I am only reading.

Thanks.

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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:51 PM   #1692
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The reason for cladding the tower is not to show the ugly bare concrete skeleton (the failure) to Kim and Lee in Pyongyang, rather then hidding it from Mike, John, Fritz and Francois elsewhere.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 06:01 PM   #1693
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anyway i've always rooted for this tower!
LOL well i hope the sex was good.

I have to admit I have always liked the evil design semantics this tower exudes, both in its decaying concrete post apocalyptic form and this newer rejuvenated and cladded version.

It's defintely a example of tacky and more questionable design intent but it's certainly a hot example. Love or hate it ... it's a bold statement.
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Old September 9th, 2010, 07:34 PM   #1694
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Any ideas on its durability from a mid magnitude earthquake? Considering that they are a common occurrence in Pyongyang, the builders (orascom) should take this into perspective...
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Old September 9th, 2010, 09:06 PM   #1695
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Looks like a nice place to visit.
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Old September 9th, 2010, 09:10 PM   #1696
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Interesting picture! I have not seen that one before, but the goal is to cover the concrete, not promise stability.

I suppose they could fill the interior with expanding foam. That stuff is amazing.
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Old September 9th, 2010, 09:22 PM   #1697
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Interesting picture! I have not seen that one before, but the goal is to cover the concrete, not promise stability.
I guess your right, Mr. Kim is not really interested in people's safety but rather showing off...
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Old September 9th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #1698
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Interesting picture! I have not seen that one before, but the goal is to cover the concrete, not promise stability.

I suppose they could fill the interior with expanding foam. That stuff is amazing.
I would think you would want to do that before installing the windows so you could cut away all the excess... I can never judge when to stop, it always splurts out every hole in the wall..
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Old September 10th, 2010, 12:01 AM   #1699
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I guess your right, Mr. Kim is not really interested in people's safety but rather showing off...
Yeah, having a bunch of people die in a building collapse would really do a great job at showing off. Do some of you people even try to think for the tiniest fraction of a blink of an eye before hitting the "submit reply" button?
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Old September 10th, 2010, 05:37 AM   #1700
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how long does it take to finished this one?
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