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Old September 22nd, 2010, 06:05 PM   #1801
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The insinuation that the user stevesteve is some kind of North Korean agent is very funny. LOL.
So as "being" a North Korean agent you should be lucky. Now you finally can ask everything you always wanted to know about the DPRK and this building. Of course, as "being" a North Korean, I can't guarentee (correct) answers of course........

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Old September 22nd, 2010, 09:07 PM   #1802
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I would love to live in a country that did things "our own way" but that must be the will of the people, not one man. One paranoid man.
Kim Jong-Il is not paranoid. At least I don't think so. Because paranoia happens when negative life experiences of the unknown outweighs positive ones.

The smallest political party in DPRK has only 3% support. So I don't think he's paranoid.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 10:50 PM   #1803
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Interesting opinion. We can look at the definition: Paranoia is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason. Extreme, irrational distrust of others.

According to the official DPKR site, they believe the South Korean government is just a puppet controlled by the USA. That is untrue and paranoid. We are allies and business partners. No one in the south is threatening "complete and total annihilation". Those words come from one source, and they are approved by one man.

I can understand KJI's viewing the economic success of South Korea as threatening. They grow richer, while his country struggles. He will do whatever it takes to prove to the world (when he shouldn't care what the world thinks) to show the DPKR as prosperous. Hence the reason for the glass facade on the Ryugyong Hotel and the major painting and roof improvements happening in Pyongyang.

See how I made this on topic, in that last little part?
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 12:23 AM   #1804
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I can understand KJI's viewing the economic success of South Korea as threatening. They grow richer, while his country struggles. He will do whatever it takes to prove to the world (when he shouldn't care what the world thinks) to show the DPKR as prosperous. Hence the reason for the glass facade on the Ryugyong Hotel and the major painting and roof improvements happening in Pyongyang.

See how I made this on topic, in that last little part?
If Kim feels threatened by economic growth in the South - then that's an objective evaluation, not paranoia.

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According to the official DPKR site, they believe the South Korean government is just a puppet controlled by the USA. That is untrue and paranoid. We are allies and business partners. No one in the south is threatening "complete and total annihilation". Those words come from one source, and they are approved by one man.
Anti-DPRK propaganda is even more ridiculous when seen from North Korean perspective. But North Korea is not at the position to feel threatened. Because Juche Idea advocates "Socialism in one country". The West, on the other hand, can't tolerate Communist countries being successful.

If North Korean government found careful/partial integration into the worlds' economy to be the best way to preserve their independence - then finishing the Ryugyong Hotel is only reasonable.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 12:01 PM   #1805
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This last pic shows that the building is kind of in the middle of nowhere. Are there any plans of creating a city center around there? Emaar likes to create city centers, don't they?
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 02:20 PM   #1806
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According to the official DPKR site, they believe the South Korean government is just a puppet controlled by the USA. That is untrue and paranoid.
According to official USA site, they believe that Iraq was liberated by them
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 03:10 PM   #1807
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Some do, and some don't. That's what makes freedom so nice.

If I speak out against the official USA site....HEY I'M STILL HERE!

If a DPRK citizen disagrees with the "Dear Leader" what do you think happens?

I mean it's not like people have escaped (yes that is the correct word) from NK to tell stories about their dissagreements with the leaders. You might say that "They are all agents of disinformation! They will be crushed by the allmighty leader in his wisdom!" or some other nonsense, or you can read what they have written and decide FOR YOURSELVES!

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...ce_and_re.html

All this internet stuff is great for sharing new ideas and learning. Everyone that can read this can independently decide what is USA or DPRK propaganda. The citizens of NK cannot, yet.

Saddam was another nutcase. "As John Stuart Mill wrote in the same fateful year that the Morrill Act was passed, “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse… The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

Oh, and the Ryugyong Hotel LOOKS GREAT!

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Old September 23rd, 2010, 05:33 PM   #1808
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Time for some permanent bans in here? Some forumers have been told over and over for years now to keep the discussion on topic but refuses to do so.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 05:45 PM   #1809
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Why ask the question? If they decided to ban, so be it.

How tall is this hotel?

Who made the glass?

Please post pictures of the inside!
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 06:57 PM   #1810
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Some do, and some don't. That's what makes freedom so nice.

If I speak out against the official USA site....HEY I'M STILL HERE!

If a DPKR citizen disagrees with the "Dear Leader" what do you think happens?

I mean it's not like people have escaped (yes that is the correct word) from NK to tell stories about their dissagreements with the leaders. You might say that "They are all agents of disinformation! They will be crushed by the allmighty leader in his wisdom!" or some other nonsense, or you can read what they have written and decide FOR YOURSELVES!

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...ce_and_re.html



All this internet stuff is great for sharing new ideas and learning. Everyone that can read this can independently decide what is USA or DPKR propaganda. The citizens of NK cannot, yet.

Saddam was another nutcase. "As John Stuart Mill wrote in the same fateful year that the Morrill Act was passed, “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse… The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

Oh, and the Ryugyong Hotel LOOKS GREAT!
Just a small correction: It's DPRK instead of DPKR ;-)))
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 07:25 PM   #1811
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Sorry, fast typing! It will not happen again, agent stevesteve!

This Hotel looks great!

http://www.korea-dpr.com/ocn

OMG, you have to read page 140 of the brief history or KJI! It is H I larious!

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Old September 23rd, 2010, 07:28 PM   #1812
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Yep, precisely, because it's not like there aren't refugees who risked their lives to escape North Korea

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

http://www.snkr.org/stories/personal/personal.html

http://www.pri.org/world/asia/north-...-refugees.html

http://internationalreportingproject...rauma-disorde/

http://www.northkoreanrefugees.com/

Righhhhht, Jurche is successful...and the US is afraid to recognize that. Yeah, sure.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 09:10 PM   #1813
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Time for some permanent bans in here? Some forumers have been told over and over for years now to keep the discussion on topic but refuses to do so.
Following Viperfreak2's "logic", the fact that permanent bans have not happened yet is clear proof that the forum staff is run by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the CIA.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 10:17 PM   #1814
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Some do, and some don't. That's what makes freedom so nice.

If I speak out against the official USA site....HEY I'M STILL HERE!

If a DPKR citizen disagrees with the "Dear Leader" what do you think happens?

I mean it's not like people have escaped (yes that is the correct word) from NK to tell stories about their dissagreements with the leaders. You might say that "They are all agents of disinformation! They will be crushed by the allmighty leader in his wisdom!" or some other nonsense, or you can read what they have written and decide FOR YOURSELVES!

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...ce_and_re.html

All this internet stuff is great for sharing new ideas and learning. Everyone that can read this can independently decide what is USA or DPKR propaganda. The citizens of NK cannot, yet.

Saddam was another nutcase. "As John Stuart Mill wrote in the same fateful year that the Morrill Act was passed, “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse… The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

Oh, and the Ryugyong Hotel LOOKS GREAT!
In Soviet Union morality and respect for Marx and Lenin was a part of the belief system, rather than oppression. But crime was not eradicated completely in USSR. Nor it is eradicated completely in North Korea. Even Jesus did not give a prescription how to convince/reach-out to everyone successfully.

"For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the draught of the fishes that they had taken: And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth, thou shalt catch men." - technically, that's propaganda. But that was a good propaganda because it was aimed at establishing of a good belief system. Western propaganda is fear-based propaganda. It makes people afraid of a system of beliefs that delivers low crime rates.

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Saddam was another nutcase.
More delusional people = more potential Hitlers.

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Old September 23rd, 2010, 10:53 PM   #1815
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Hey, I love porn and fatty food. When do I get to be führer?

In all seriousness, that last bit of your post has got to be the most moronic thing I have read in quite a while. People who like to eat burgers are potential Hitlers? That's almost as retarded as that Russian foreign ministry guy who claimed that the number of homosexual men in the United States was a clear sign that the U.S. was doomed to collapse.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96N3GCG0

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Old September 23rd, 2010, 11:15 PM   #1816
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Western propaganda is fear based. Yes, I agree.

Someone please post some new pictures of the hotel. I do not want to stay in this overwhelming truth-a-thon!
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 11:28 PM   #1817
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I just love the effect the weather has on this building.

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Old September 23rd, 2010, 11:59 PM   #1818
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I wonder if the quality of the Ryugyong's cladding is better than Shard's
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Old September 24th, 2010, 01:32 AM   #1819
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Hey, I love porn and fatty food. When do I get to be führer?

In all seriousness, that last bit of your post has got to be the most moronic thing I have read in quite a while. People who like to eat burgers are potential Hitlers?
I meant there is a correlation between unsatisfying life and Hitler. But not between eating burgers and Hitler.
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And what's unsatisfying about porn and fatty food? Seems to me it's quite the opposite, for obvious reasons.

The more reasonable link to Hitler and his ilk would be the notion that some people (I am not accusing you, as I do not know you, I am simply observing what has been said in the last couple of posts) believe to be an authority on what constitutes a satisfying life for everyone, people who fool themselves into thinking that they have the be-all end-all recipe on the happiness of everyone, that there is something that is right for everybody, and should therefore be enforced on anybody who deviates. It is a dangerous line of thinking to assume one knows best for everybody, that is the type of thing that paves the way for dictators to come to power.
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