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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:10 AM   #1821
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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:10 AM   #1822
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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:18 AM   #1823
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I just love the effect the weather has on this building.

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since many years ago i see some information of this building, i was fallowing this thread and all the post, some people say is unsafe (probably) some other says is ugly.....my god....look the pic above ...you guy's think is ugly...!!!!

nothing to say about the neigborhoods ok...
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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:26 AM   #1824
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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:27 AM   #1825
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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:30 AM   #1826
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since many years ago i see some information of this building, i was fallowing this thread and all the post, some people say is unsafe (probably) some other says is ugly.....my god....look the pic above ...you guy's think is ugly...!!!!

nothing to say about the neigborhoods ok...
It certainly isn't quite so ugly now that it is sheathed in glass. I have an entirely new opinion about it now. Well at least it's appearance. As far as structural integrity goes... I'm throwing caution to the wind.
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Old September 24th, 2010, 02:46 AM   #1827
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Note that there hasn't ever been any credible source for the rumours of the building's lack of safety. Of course there has never been any credible source for the building's safety, either, I'm just saying, don't put too much stock into unsubstantiated rumours.

There are a lot of historical buildings from many centuries ago that were built with regular, non-reinforced concrete, without proper foundations, with antiquated construction methods, exposed to the elements for centuries, that are still standing just fine.
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Old September 24th, 2010, 04:18 AM   #1828
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Do correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just going to be a glorified cell tower?
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Old September 24th, 2010, 06:02 AM   #1829
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Nope, another sourceless rumour.
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Old September 24th, 2010, 04:09 PM   #1830
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Worlds most expensive cell tower!

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Old September 24th, 2010, 08:37 PM   #1831
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Do correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just going to be a glorified cell tower?
like being empty inside and not used at all?
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Old September 24th, 2010, 09:47 PM   #1832
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According to stevesteve, a recent visitor to the DPRK...

The locals doubt it will be used as a hotel. I could go back a few pages and copy and paste the exact words, but that is the basic statement.
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Old September 24th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #1833
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Note that there hasn't ever been any credible source for the rumours of the building's lack of safety. Of course there has never been any credible source for the building's safety, either, I'm just saying, don't put too much stock into unsubstantiated rumours.
Some link was posted many pages ago almost two years ago, to some quote by an Orascom executive that this was going to be a multipurpose building that includes residential, hotel, and office space. The deadline was reported to be 2012 due to an anniversary in DPRK. How many percent of the building, I don't know.

Technically, that could easily mean a few floors will be used as a hotel, a few for government offices, a few for residential, a tourist observation deck/restaurant, with more than half remaining empty for a long time. This would appear, to probably, be a realistic scenario for a 2012 celebration deadline, with them gradually filling vacant floors over a longer time period (though not as easily as if DPRK opens up in a theoretical "China miracle" style revitialization in the future)

A big challenge was reported to be the crooked elevator shafts which was claimed to make completion impossible, but they clearly managed to solve that one way or another (Specifics of exactly how is not known. However, it's clearly possible: given enough money, many creative solutions are possible, such as shaft-within-shaft designs, or alternate shaft adjacent to original via holes non-load-bearing floors, or cableless elevator technology, or cable car/inclinator retrofit, or vertical ski lift technology drivative, or even western concrete refurbishment techniques that included trimming for shaft straightening, or a combination of many of the above, etc.)

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Old September 25th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #1834
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Non-load-bearing floors! lol
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Old September 25th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #1835
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To be honest, they have done a very good job.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 08:24 PM   #1836
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Lets remember that Orascom is one of the middle east's biggest construction and engineering firms, if they're doing this they'll be doing it seriously.

Its also clearly not going to make money now or soon, but is a downpayment on what Orascom hopes will be an increasingly open country and economy. If Ray Cunningham* is right in what he's seen in North Korea recently, its clear that North Korea is now going down the China route - and there's no reason to think they won't be successful in that. Especially if Kim the 3rd does turn out to have new ideas (You never know...)

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Old September 25th, 2010, 09:27 PM   #1837
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Lets remember that Orascom is one of the middle east's biggest construction and engineering firms, if they're doing this they'll be doing it seriously.

Its also clearly not going to make money now or soon, but is a downpayment on what Orascom hopes will be an increasingly open country and economy. If Ray Cunningham* is right in what he's seen in North Korea recently, its clear that North Korea is now going down the China route - and there's no reason to think they won't be successful in that. Especially if Kim the 3rd does turn out to have new ideas (You never know...)

*post here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=1600
i hope you are right and they will follow China's development path and unite with SK at last.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 09:43 PM   #1838
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Old September 26th, 2010, 01:10 AM   #1839
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I just love the effect the weather has on this building.

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I gotta admit, this one has polished up real well. Looks like out of a sci-fi film, or Vegas maybe
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Old September 26th, 2010, 02:05 AM   #1840
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I gotta admit, this one has polished up real well. Looks like out of a sci-fi film, or Vegas maybe
yeah, like if Luxor and Mandalay Bay had a kid together
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