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Old October 22nd, 2010, 05:32 AM   #1961
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 01:47 PM   #1962
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The thought of getting the equipment to the mechanical levels (did anyone ever see anything going in before the cladding?)
No but thats probably because there haven't been a lot of pictures. It's great to see many new pictures lately but that wasn't the case in the beginning of the contruction(cladding). Did anyone see them take down the old crane on the top of it? No one did either and yet its not there anymore. Actyally I don't think Ive seen any pictures being taken while construction was going on.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 02:43 PM   #1963
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Did anyone see them take down the old crane on the top of it? No one did either and yet its not there anymore.
True.

I did find it interesting - I think it was in Zakura's post - the mention that North Koreans he talked to reported a mist descended, there was a noise of a helicopter, the mist lifted then the crane was gone.

Perhaps something about the schooling/ propaganda makes them think about even routine construction work in quasi mystical terms.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 03:25 PM   #1964
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Living in Dubai I have photographed dozens of highrises and supertalls being build, not to mention watching them rise everyday, and in not a single occasion I've seen any equipment being hauled to the mechanical levels. Why?

1. Because they are hardly lifted from outside, rather sent up by service elevators in parts and blocks.
2. Even when they do, it usually takes part during the night.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 04:15 PM   #1965
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You make a good point. There are very few pictures of 'stuff' other than steel beams, floor plates and cladding being lifted by cranes in any construction pictures on this site, but I am sure they can be found.

Normally, when the floor of a mechanical level is complete, they lift the really big stuff up by crane because it's a lot easier than trying to fit it in an elevator. There's also items that are too heavy for even the best freight elevators.

The Ryugyong is a little different. The outside was completed long ago, with only little windows on the outside...no way to bring big items to a mechanical level in that way! So yes, they probably must move everything up in smaller pieces in elevators, out of site.

That said, I still do not believe ANY work (except elevators) has been done on the inside yet. The Orascom spokesman said they would complete the skin, then start thinking about the interior. In so many words.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 05:14 PM   #1966
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The Orascom spokesman said they would complete the skin, then start thinking about the interior. In so many words.
Sounds somewhat logic to me. We shouldn't forget that the construction of this building is just different because of the situation and the way we work now is a bit different from when construction of this building started.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 09:33 PM   #1967
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The Orascom spokesman said they would complete the skin, then start thinking about the interior. In so many words.
Obviously, keeping the door open. The evidence overwhelmingly points towards being able to progress to eventual habitability (not necessarily by Orascom)

Interesting point about the difficulty of machinery installation on mechanical floors. The mechanical floors will be a very interesting challenge. One theory is, where possible, they will use multiple smaller machines to do tasks normally done by bigger machines. (i.e. reassembling multiple medium-size mechanical-floor air conditioners can take the place of one massive air conditioner, handling different segments of building). And the thousands of open-able windows will reduce ventilation load. Multiple smaller-office-building hot water tanks can replace massive hot water tanks, or sections of a few medium tanks can be welded together once inside. Etc. They probably thought of mechanical floor logistics already. Smaller machinery may also allow staged mechanical floor expansion as the building slowly gets habitated floor by floor, over years and decades. All probably easier to solve than the elevator problem they had to solve.

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Old October 24th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #1968
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Thought I would link to this video of the fireworks celebration they had last year with the Ryugyong at its core - I don't know if this has been posted here before, and it shows that the North Koreans are deffinetly drawing attention to the Ryugyong again.



And here is why Orascom is interested in North Korea...

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Old November 5th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #1969
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The Fireworks Festival made a time before the works of conclusion the tower. At least the skeleton served to celebrations in years in which the building was paralyzed. Better which in Copacabana New Years celebration.
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Old November 6th, 2010, 04:33 AM   #1970
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Thought I would link to this video of the fireworks celebration they had last year with the Ryugyong at its core - I don't know if this has been posted here before, and it shows that the North Koreans are deffinetly drawing attention to the Ryugyong again.


Ahahahha! I thought they were about to demolish the hotel.....lolz
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Old November 6th, 2010, 05:24 AM   #1971
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I definitely think this needs a spire of some sort on top. I am usually against sticking something on top, but it looks so strange with a flat top.

I think it has been mentioned before, but it looks like there is going to be some kind of external lift. up the sloping edges.
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it looks fine without a spire
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Old November 7th, 2010, 03:49 PM   #1973
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yeah... I couldn´t imagine a pyramide with a spire.....
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Old November 7th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #1974
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This building looks nice. Who would have thought?
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Old November 8th, 2010, 07:27 PM   #1975
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I think it has been mentioned before, but it looks like there is going to be some kind of external lift. up the sloping edges.
I think that's just going to be a service/cleaning platform. However, that brings up an interesting thought: What if it was the primary lift? Like an external version of the Hotel Luxor inclinator? I don't think so, because of the lower peaks, and I didn't see rails on the lower part, only on the higher part after the valleys.

I'm pretty certain there's also elevators inside there now, using some modern and creative Orascom-developed solution and/or retrofit.

I am also especially interested in the window-cleaning solution Orascom has developed for Ryugyong, since it's a technical challenge to make such a skyscraper easily maintainable. I have observed there are also rails underneath the top 'cone' too. Cheap DPRK labour would probably end up being used. My theory is:
- Window cleaning of the top cone could be done by carefully rappelling from top. This is exactly how Luxor Hotel in Las Vegas does it!!!
- Window cleaning of the whole building directly underneath cone, can be done by hanging a platfrom from the tracks underneath cone. This is frequently done from skyscrapers with high overhangs. Tracks visible in close-ups of the top cone.
- Window cleaning of the top slopes (above valley) done from moving platform on rails. Rails visible in photos.
- Window cleaning of the walls vertically underneath the top slopes (above valley) can be done by rappelling off the sides of the moving platform on rails on slope. It could even be another platform that lowers (a short one, such as 8 or 10 feet wide)
- Window cleaning of the lower slopes (below valley) is more tricky from a safety standpoint, but may be done by rappelling from the top of lower peaks (before valley). I am pretty sure they may use a solution such as a double-rope system (attached to two points at the top of the lower peaks) to keep the window cleaner on the lower slope, to prevent the window cleaner from falling off the slope.
- Window cleaning of the walls vertically underneath the lower peaks, can be done from rappelling too.
- Window cleaning of the walls vertically underneath the lower slopes, can be done from rappelling with one high attachment on the top of lower peaks and one ground attachment point (motorized rope reels with safety mechanisms would be preferred, whatever they call those in rapelling.)
- To ease window cleaning of the lower parts, they could also install rails on the lower slopes. But this probably won't happen until DPRK labour becomes more expensive that a retrofit becomes feasible instead of simply rappelling (ala Luxor style)

I am sure there are other better solutions too, but that should give complete window washing coverage of the whole skyscraper. How often DPRK does it, is up to question, but they'll obviously have to do a window wash occasionally!

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Old November 10th, 2010, 12:34 AM   #1976
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Why does the hotel have to be so tall though? It's not like Pyongyang has tourists, let alone all of DPRK...
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Old November 10th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #1977
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Why does the hotel have to be so tall though? It's not like Pyongyang has tourists, let alone all of DPRK...
One of their most important source of foreign currency is Chinese tourists.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 09:05 AM   #1978
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Why does the hotel have to be so tall though? It's not like Pyongyang has tourists, let alone all of DPRK...
Obviously it will be not hotel only.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 11:00 AM   #1979
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Why does the hotel have to be so tall though? It's not like Pyongyang has tourists, let alone all of DPRK...
Well, the slave drivers in NK need foreign money. The Soviets did the same thing. Hard currency = more Mercedes and western goodies for the elite. It'll be a nice little home away from home, a conclave for those without a conscience.
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Why does the hotel have to be so tall though? It's not like Pyongyang has tourists, let alone all of DPRK...
The real purpose was propaganda -- a South Korean company had built the world's tallest hotel, in Singapore, and North Korea wanted to beat the South.
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