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Old January 12th, 2006, 08:04 AM   #1
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Mexico reviving travel by train

Mexico reviving travel by train
Billions poured into new Bullet, Suburban trains

Chris Hawley
Mexico City Bureau
Jan. 6, 2006 12:00 AM

MEXICO CITY - High-speed bullet trains whooshing across the Mexican countryside. Electric commuter trains slicing through Mexico City. Gleaming new train stations and state-of-the-art switching systems.

It's all part of an ambitious, multibillion-dollar plan to revive train travel in Mexico, a business that was mostly abandoned in 2001 after decades of mismanagement and long, uncomfortable journeys in aging rail cars.

Now construction crews are tearing up streets along the weed-covered rails leading into Mexico City's crumbling Buenavista station, preparing the way for a new $5 billion commuter-rail system that officials are calling the Suburban Train. advertisement




And the government is about to open bidding on a $12 billion, 180-mph "Tren Bala," or bullet train, the western hemisphere's first, that will run 360 miles between Mexico City and Guadalajara, the country' second-largest city. There are also plans for a new cargo rail line that could cut 10 hours off the trip from the Pacific port of Manzanillo and Aguascalientes in central Mexico.

The government says it needs trains because Mexico's highways are becoming overloaded with cars, especially around Mexico City, the world's second-largest metropolis after Tokyo. Gridlock-weary chilangos, as Mexico City residents are known, are praising the idea.

But officials are also reaching out to Mexican patriotism, trumpeting the projects as signs of the country's progress.

"This signifies a great step toward modernity," President Vicente Fox said at a ceremony marking construction of the new suburban line. "It's part of a strategy for developing quality public transportation for the inhabitants of our cities."


Laying down tracks
The government has pledged to finish the first 15-mile section of the Suburban Train system by 2007 and the Bullet Train by 2011. Both projects are being funded by a combination of private investment and government bonds.

CAF, the Spanish company building the suburban line, will also operate it under a 30-year contract with the government. It's unclear who will run the bullet train, although it's likely to be a contractor as well. In Mexico, it's not unusual for foreign companies to manage airports and other government-owned enterprises.

Several countries have built high-speed rail lines. The most well-known are Japan's Shinkansen and France's TGV, but Spain, Italy, Germany, Belgium and South Korea also have them. Taiwan and China plan to build high-speed lines as well.

The United States has Amtrak's Acela train, which runs between Washington, New York and Boston. But it shares its track with conventional trains, which limits its speed.

"If Mexico were to pull this off, it would be the first true high-speed rail system in the Western Hemisphere," said William Vantuono, editor of Railway Age, a trade publication based in New York. "And as long as they can avoid a lot of political interference, their chances of doing this are pretty good."

The government has hired French company SYSTRA to plan the rail line and plans to begin awarding construction contracts within months.

The leading candidate in the 2006 presidential election, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, has an even more ambitious plan. He is promising to extend the bullet train, which he calls "the Eagle," north to Nuevo Laredo, on the border with Texas, and west to Mexicali and Tijuana. Travelers from Arizona could catch the train in Puerto Peñasco or Hermosillo, Sonora.

López Obrador is also promising a rail line to span the 150-mile Isthmus of Tehuantepec separating the Atlantic and Pacific oceans in southern Mexico. The line would be an alternative to the Panama Canal for companies shipping goods to Asia.


Old railroad lines


Railroads have played an important part in Mexico's history . The first train line was built in 1857 in downtown Mexico City. In the late 1800s, dictator Porfirio Díaz made railway construction his first priority, in part to populate northern Mexico and discourage U.S. expansion.

During the 1910-20 Mexican Revolution, Pancho Villa seized rail lines and used the trains to move his troops.

Later, the railway workers' union became the prototype for the "charro unions," the corrupt labor groups that helped the Revolutionary Institutional Party rule Mexico for 71 years.

By the 1980s, Mexico's railroads were falling into disrepair. In the 1990s, the government sold all the lines to private companies.

Kansas City Southern now owns the lucrative trunk route from Mexico City to Nuevo Laredo. Ferromex, a company that is 26 percent owned by Union Pacific, controls the southeastern routes to the Yucatán Peninsula and the northwestern lines to Arizona and California.

The private companies discontinued the unprofitable passenger service, except in a few places like the Copper Canyon of northwestern Mexico. These days, most long-distance travel is done by bus or airplane.

But as Mexico's economic footing has improved in the past decade, the federal government has been spending millions of dollars on transportation projects. And increasingly, it has been looking to the rails.


Trains' next stop


Mexico's first project is the Suburban Train, which could eventually include 140 miles of track around Mexico City. The first 15-mile section runs from Buenavista to the northern suburb of Cuautitlán. Fares will be about 90 cents, CAF has said.

The train is expected to move about 320,000 people a day and keep about 20,000 cars off the road, the government says. With a population of 18 million people, Mexico City has serious problems with traffic congestion and air pollution.

The city already has a well-regarded subway system, and last summer it launched the MetroBus, a fleet of articulated buses that serve a string of elevated stations running along Insurgentes Avenue.

Not everyone is happy with the suburban train project.

"This train is being built according to the whims of the government, and they're not taking into account people who live here," said Juan Luis Mejía Rios of Mexico City's northern Atlampa neighborhood, as workers tore up a nearby railroad crossing.

Residents in Mejía's apartment building are angry about bridges that the government plans to build over the tracks. They fear the retaining walls will block the light in their courtyard.

"No to the wall and the bridges of death!" say huge letters painted on the building.

The government says it's trying to minimize such intrusions by putting the train at the bottom of an 18-foot-deep trench. That will eliminate railroad crossings, paving the way for the bullet train.

Commuters, meanwhile, said they're all for the project. With about 3 million vehicles in the capital, rush hour is a daily ordeal of honking horns and crunching bumpers.By car, the trip from Buenavista to Cuautitlán takes about three hours during rush hour, the government says. The train should cut the trip to 25 minutes.

"There are too many cars in this city, and it's only getting worse. I think it's a great that they're bringing back the trains," said Elpidio Herrera, as he waited for a bus near the old Buenavista station.
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Old January 12th, 2006, 09:51 AM   #2
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I thought Lopez Obradors was having some problems with his campaign? Did he overcome his previous disqualification from running for president?

Another problem is that Mexico is very mountainous. The only flat way out of Mexico City is to the north- every other direction is surrounded by mountains (one reason the pollution gets trapped in the valley so often). It'd require a lot of tunnels to build a high speed line in Mexico.

I have heard of the new suburban line in Mexico City though. Sounds like a good idea- it goes to the northern suburbs (the only flat direction) and the traffic on the roads that way is pretty bad.

Are they still double-decking the Periferico?
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Old January 12th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #3
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Yes the periferico is still under construction and youre right, the city is surrounded by mountains except by the north, that area is free and is the actual route of the old railways, right now is the same route the suburban and bullet train will follow. The rest of the route until Guadalajara is mostly plain.

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Old January 13th, 2006, 04:31 AM   #4
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Fantastic news! It is a shame that, if this goes through, Mexico will be the first country in the Western Hemispher to have true high speed rail, and not the inept United States, proving its incompetence yet again in the realm of train transport.
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Old January 15th, 2006, 02:30 PM   #5
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Isn't spain in the western hemisphere? :P
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Old January 18th, 2006, 01:07 AM   #6
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It would be great if Cali's highspeed rail was built and it hooked up with the Mexican system. O well, now at least I won't have to leave NA to ride a train, just Canada:P
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Old January 18th, 2006, 01:17 AM   #7
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90 cent fares for suburban train? cool.
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Old January 18th, 2006, 01:24 AM   #8
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Technically yes, but practically no.

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Old January 19th, 2006, 12:51 AM   #9
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Brazil is also planning two high-speed lines, one linking São Paulo to Campinas (100km), which is likely to be built in 5 years, and another linking São Paulo to Rio, 600km, much more costly and probably for 2015.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 07:51 PM   #10
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MEXICO | Railways

Kansas City Southern de México

The American Line whit operations in Mexico is the second railway company in this country, here a very interesting video of its operation, video and info in spanish.

Kansas City Southern de México (KCSM / antes TFM) es una empresa ferroviaria mexicana.

KCSM opera un sistema ferroviario de 2.645 millas (4.251 Km.) de vía principal, y 637 millas(1.025 kilómetros ) a través de derechos de paso, y es el más importante corredor comercial del sistema ferroviario mexicano, dando servicio al noreste y centro de México, así como las ciudades en los puertos de Lázaro Cárdenas y Tampico, entre otros.

La concesión otorga a KCSM el derecho exclusivo de prestar servicios de transporte de carga a lo largo del Ferrocarril del Noreste durante los primeros 30 años de su concesión por 50 años, derecho sujeto a los términos y estipulaciones de la concesión, incluyendo estipulaciones sobre los derechos de paso que habrían de otorgarse a otros operadores ferroviarios mexicanos. KCSM tiene un derecho no exclusivo de prestar esos servicios durante el resto del plazo de la concesión.

KCSM tiene conexión en 2 puntos fronterizos con el Union Pacific en Matamoros y Nuevo Laredo, teniendo también puntos de intercambio con los otros dos ferrocarriles troncales privatizados: Ferromex y Ferrosur. KCSM es una de las principales líneas férreas mexicanas y proporciona una conexión directa entre EUA y el corazón industrial de México. KCSM es controlada y propiedad de Kansas City Southern Lines.



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Old December 21st, 2008, 01:34 AM   #12
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Ferrocarril Chihuahua Pacifico - Copper Canyon express

The world renowned Copper Canyon Express to Mexico's magnificent Copper Canyon and enjoy the best in a soft adventure vacation. Step on to our historic train and embark on an exciting journey that you'll always remember as a trip of a lifetime.

After meeting your travel companions, enjoy a sumptuous meal in our vintage domed dining car, followed by a restful night in your private compartment in one of our restored Pullman Sleeper Cars. At dawn the train begins its rigorous climb into the majestic mountains that await you.

Experience the "world's most exciting rail journey" as the train makes its way through the rugged terrain, traversing the historic rail line that took almost 100 years to build. Travel over 36 bridges and through 87 tunnels as the train takes you through a showcase of the spectacular geography of Central Mexico.

The Copper Canyon Express will travel through the stark beauty of the desert Southwest, along the ascent through the lush sub tropics, and arrive in the midst of the forests and massive canyons at the summit of the Sierra Madres. You'll enjoy some of the most spectacular landscapes and breathtaking scenery imaginable for days ....

It's here you'll visit with the indigenous Tarahumara Indians, a culture that has survived the rugged conditions of this unique environment for hundreds of years. Let us introduce you to these remarkable people who inhabit the amazing landscape. Enjoy fine dining and many peaceful nights relaxing in charming inns and lodges perched high above the canyon floor.

To many, the attraction of a nostalgic trip on a vintage train is quite evident. Peter M. Robbins founded the Sierra Madre Express in 1986 with this in mind. To date he has gathered a fleet of five classic rail cars originally built in the 1940’s and 1950’s. Service on the Sierra Madre Express is reminiscent of rail travel of a bygone era. From offering gourmet meals to attentive room service, a trainmaster and a crew of six look after the passenger’s every need. In addition an experienced bilingual escort accompanies every tour. Many guests have commented on the attention to detail that is evident in every aspect of an excursion on the Sierra Madre Express. It is truly an extraordinary travel experience.

The Railway in Creel.

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Sation entrance.

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In the distance is coming ...

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And arrives...

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Very faster.

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Dining car interiors.

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Club car interiors.

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First class service.

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The landscapes...

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Train details:

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How much of the network is double-track?
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Amazing pictures, thanks!

Do you have a map of the railway network in Mexico, porfa? I'd love to see it.
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these ladies absolutelly deserve the first class service. Very nice and impressive pictures
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Amazing pictures, thanks!

Do you have a map of the railway network in Mexico, porfa? I'd love to see it.
This is the actually railway network in Mexico.

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Who are those two hot women?
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Well, is not part of the topic but ... It's Christmas!!

Front to the camera Blanca Llorca Miss Playboy Tv Spain, in the window Aracelis Bocchio Miss Playboy Tv Argentina. They and another girls on a promotional tour in Mexico.
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They deserve a ride in the locomotive cab!
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Hi, Here three maps in detail of the Mexican railway companies

Ferromex

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Kansas City Southern de Mexico

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