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Old October 10th, 2009, 01:53 AM   #121
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And here it comes:Solaris Tramino in the night:
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Old October 10th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #122
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and just a detail of design, but older solaris got nice backlights compare with new ones.

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Old October 10th, 2009, 11:24 PM   #123
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and just a detail of design, but older solaris got nice backlights compare with new ones.

It depends on personal attidude to Solaris' design. IMO first generation's design was a little bit "toy-like";Citaro and MAN Nx 3x3 look more... seriously
Beside this element,you like so much,is just a plactic-made surrounding area,which after few years lokk just like this:

This car above it's a first SU18 in the world;I observed the similar situation in the ST12T #3001 (first ever made Trollino),but after a little accident this element was changed for a new one
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Old October 12th, 2009, 10:22 AM   #124
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These are our Solaris buses in Bratislava. We have several problems with them, because of very poor quality.

Solaris Urbino 15 CNG


and this is very common in Bratislava public transport

Solaris in fire


Thanks god, we stopped to buy new Solaris buses. Now we have Tedoms and Citelises
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Old October 12th, 2009, 10:58 AM   #125
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These are our Solaris buses in Bratislava. We have several problems with them, because of very poor quality.

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Thanks god, we stopped to buy new Solaris buses. Now we have Tedoms and Citelises
Haa, can you tell me why only in Bratislava Solaris buses catch fire? I don't think it is due to its poor quality but it is conected with your service or maintenance. Nowhere else so much solarises have such problem.
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Old October 12th, 2009, 02:22 PM   #126
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These are our Solaris buses in Bratislava. We have several problems with them, because of very poor quality.

Solaris Urbino 15 CNG


and this is very common in Bratislava public transport

Solaris in fire


Thanks god, we stopped to buy new Solaris buses. Now we have Tedoms and Citelises
Most interesting is,that some buses of other brands also burnt out in DP Bratislava
And really funny is that this case (I mean Solaris case) was made loud by a very special TV;this TV (as you probably know) has the same owner that... bus manufacturer in Vysoke Myto.And this manufacturer makes... what a surpise:CITELISES!
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Old October 12th, 2009, 10:41 PM   #127
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Haa, can you tell me why only in Bratislava Solaris buses catch fire? I don't think it is due to its poor quality but it is conected with your service or maintenance. Nowhere else so much solarises have such problem.
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Most interesting is,that some buses of other brands also burnt out in DP Bratislava
And really funny is that this case (I mean Solaris case) was made loud by a very special TV;this TV (as you probably know) has the same owner that... bus manufacturer in Vysoke Myto.And this manufacturer makes... what a surpise:CITELISES!
Traffic company and also the whole Bratislavas government is so corrupted, that this is no surprise...but as I know, Solaris were cheap...and cheap things are always bad
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Old October 13th, 2009, 12:26 AM   #128
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Traffic company and also the whole Bratislavas government is so corrupted, that this is no surprise...
Uuuuuu.... Hard words Any proof?

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but as I know, Solaris were cheap...and cheap things are always bad
Oh boy... Don't you know that some contracts are a little bit more prestigious than the others? These more prestigious are for example deliveries for capitals of european (especially UE) countries;and THEN a manufacturer may sell busses with lower price.
If you want,check it:now Solaris busses aren't so cheap,even for German market;but in spite of that HUNDREDS of busses from Bolechowo run everyday by german streets.How many busses made in Vysoke Myto were bought by german operators?Guess why?Not because of price

Next case (maybe OT in this thread,but what can I do?): PESA. First trainsets made by PESA appeared in Italy thanks to lower price (bought by FSE).But these trainsets were tested by other operators and you know what?Almost month by month we hear/read about another contract for Pesa for delivery of few trainsets ATR220 for another and another italian operator.
Pesa tested ATR220 even in Czech Republic,but IMHO there is no chance to win any czech tender;all the specifications in CzR are prepared in such a way that only czech manufacturer can win it (Skoda,Irisbus/Karosa,Tedom or SOR).
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Old October 14th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #129
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Solaris Tramino (tram).

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Old October 14th, 2009, 05:59 PM   #130
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Old October 16th, 2009, 01:22 PM   #131
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Old October 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM   #132
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Man, that Tramino looks well slick, nice elegant design!
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Old October 17th, 2009, 02:53 PM   #133
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I'm lovin' it (Tramino)
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Old October 17th, 2009, 03:38 PM   #134
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Solaris were cheap...and cheap things are always bad
What a sweaping generalisation...
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Old October 19th, 2009, 02:26 AM   #135
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We have several problems with them, because of very poor quality.
There are two possibilities: Solaris messed something up with those buses (I believe these were the only ones of the CNG series), or the fault was on the side of the party doing maintenance.

Now if I didn't know Slovakians at all, I'd blame the producer, but it's not the case.

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There are solaris buses in Munich, next to MAN Lion's City and Mercedes Citaro, and personally I don't like them. The isolation of the vertically placed engine is bad, it gets pretty hot when I sit in the back of the bus, despite the AC. I have been on other buses with vertically placed engines and they did not have these heat problems and were quieter, too.
Don't know about heat, but noise is kind of a problem, and in the German two-door version the back seems a bit claustrophobic (originally there's a door opposite the engine compartment). I liked the earlier version much more. What I actually like about them is that in this hole called Saarbrücken these are the only buses that have displays inside. That's indispensable when travelling to areas one doesn't know very well, as the audio is usually not loud enough and/or unclear.

Are Münich buses fitted with displays?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 03:54 AM   #136
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Is someone able to tell the price of Tramino?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #137
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Solaris offered 342 mln polish złoty for 40 Tramino (8,55 mln each) - city Poznań
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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:17 PM   #138
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Solaris offered 342 mln polish złoty for 40 Tramino (8,55 mln each) - city Poznań
I would rather say that Solaris offered 40 Tramino units for 342 Mio. PLN
And one more thing:it was the offer (as you've written) for Poznań,where Solaris was allowed to earn some money because this manufacturer employs people from THIS region (Greater Poland,with Poznań as it's capital).So,if there was some prestigious tender (for example for Bucharest or for some german cities),the price could be lower.On the other hand in some other tenders the price can be higher if Solaris has such a possibility (like no other competitors).
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Old October 21st, 2009, 04:46 AM   #139
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So the price is ~ 2 million Euros...A price at almost the same level as Alstom or Bombardier...Anyway, it looks very nice and if quality is good it may be successfull. But AFAIK the price is higher then the price of Crotram or Skoda...
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Old October 21st, 2009, 06:35 PM   #140
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To be honest, I would choose an Alstom or Bombardier tram instead because they have experience in this field. Or Škoda, because it's cheaper(and not their first tram).
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